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The Coffin of Andy and Leyley Thread Anonymous 04/19/2025 (Sat) 12:27:53 Id: 7472ba No. 1146349
Edited last time by Mark on 04/19/2025 (Sat) 12:37:26.
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Green twink thread
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Don't mind me, I'm just peeping on Ashley as she showers.
Replaying the game I noticed that ??? was called an entity when the cultist first summons him, it's not until you find demon summoning for dummies than it starts being called a demon. I admit I didn't pay attention to what it was called before but the people saying that entity was a retcon when it happens in the first few minutes of the game are something else.
>>1146619 I checked, and this has been true since the Game Jam version of the game. Bravo, Nemlei.
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>>1146446 NORMAL pubescent brother behavior, it's most likely the late 80's/early 90's, they have no internet after all, NOTHING incestuous here >but what about porn magazines and VHS pornos? S-SHUT UP
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>>1146619 Staying as workers for the demons/entities is still considered a failure
Apparently, a lot of people haven't figured out this simple trick. Lord Unknown --> LU --> LUCIFER
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I just want to know what was Douglas like considering Renee still unconditionally loves that boring and depressed doormat. Definitely something that needs to be elaborated on instead of constant bickering between Andrew and Ashley. So far everyone is an absolute trash except for Douglas which I feel pity for but I bet if his past is revealed, I'd hate him just as much. Fucking Renee selling her kids so she can goon with Douglas in a new house with a crappy garden. Regarding LU why didn't he altered his victims' memories and all that, it's simple. Demons love to watch humans play into their hand.
>>1146898 Thanks to that photo together we know for a fact Douglas WASN'T such a doormat when he met Renee, so something changed him dramatically later on in life. Couldn't be Renee herself, since she's a slobbering, loving mess towards him.
>>1146898 If I'm not mistaken, it was Douglas who brought up the idea of playing along with the Surgeon. He's not as innocent as he lets on.
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>>1146877 Named "light-bringer", as he will enlighten Andrew about the ways of outbreeding.
>>1146911 Also, a little something people seem to have missed - Nemlei said not only that Burial and Decay won't share content - she also said they won't share any connections. Which leads me to believe LU will be completely absent from that one, for example.
>>1146898 The pictures imply he was some kind of bad boy with the leather biker jacket and the wound on his face But he was always depressed too. They most likely understood eachother without having to explain it, like Andrew said to Ashley, and that made them fall in love >>1146911 His soul also starts roaring and going grime once you take Renee's soul away from him. When Renee's soul is let free she goes back to him and he starts calming down >>1146916 He was also planning to kill his dad with Renee
>>1146911 >>1146952 Yeah, I wonder what tied them together except for crazy teen love and children they don't even love.
>>1146959 There are two interpretations - either the "murder" was going to be targeted against Douglas's parents, or they wanted to abort Andrew.
>>1146916 >>1146965 >He was also planning to kill his dad with Renee I guess I need to replay chapter 3 because I wasn't paying attention.
>>1146966 There's also the question of whether Grandpa Graves is still alive. I hope not, because that would introduce a massive plot hole - Andrew and Ashley not contacting him during the quarantine would make no sense.
>>1146970 ? if Renee didnt got pregnant they would have killed Grandpa
>>1146990 The grandparents are most likely not alive since Renee is using the Grandma's necklace
Oh, I guess there already is one massive plot hole in the story. Why didn't Renee take up Grandpa's offer. Getting rid of Andrew (law school) and Ashley (boarding school) not only rids her of them as a burden, but also separates them. It's a dream come true for her, and she had no reason to decline.
>>1147024 Same reason why she boasts about how great and successful her kids are doing while on the phone with her mom. Pride. Accepting help would be the same as admitting that she was a failure as a mom like everyone around knew she would be.
>>1147024 I assume she couldn't have been bothered. She didn't call the police on Ashley, she didn't bother raising them, she gave 0 fucks about the until she profited off them.
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>>1147053 >Renee is pride >Andrew is lust >Ashley is greed Probably not.
>>1146349 Remember you can use the archive button above the reply box or at the bottom of the thread to put threads in archive.is Only thumbnails will be saved though
>>1147053 >>1147055 That's not true, though. She didn't have any problem going to Grandpa Graves for money, it's implied she's already done that multiple times. And she despises him. Getting rid of her kids + not having to pay for them would literally give her everything she wanted, and she could still brag about how well Andrew is doing. It's LITERALLY what's she's trying to do in-game, only without getting her hands dirty in any way, and without any risk.
>>1147106 >cont. My take? Nemiel got too irritated by Renee's popularity, and decided to paint her in a much more negative light in Episode 2 than initially planned, but she massively overcorrected.
>>1147106 Damn that makes a lot of sense.
>>1147114 But doesn't Renee design only shows up for the first time in EP2, thus making her popular? And if you meant EP3, that doesn't really make sense when she made her relationship with Douglas so sweet, also kinda implied she would have fought for her kids and called in the lawyers if Douglas supported her and they didnt killed Nina
>>1147084 Ashley would be gluttony. Douglas could be sloth Julia would be so deep into hell for violence.
>>1147149 Yeah, I meant Episode 3. That doesn't explain anything, though. Once they killed Nina, she could've just contacted Grandpa and agree to his offer. And even prior to Nina's death she's completely given up on Ashley, so she would've immediately jumped on the opportunity to get rid of her, at least. And why wouldn't she want Andrew to go to law school? It was supposed to be COLLEGE, so when he's already an adult. So no, that's a giant plot hole. Nemiel allowed her own dislike of Renee, or irritation at people simping for her, to overdo trying to paint her as a bad guy.
>>1147192 I agree she should have accepted Grandpa's offer, but i think Nemlei hates shipping the mom with Andrew way more than the mom herself, thus her reaffirming her love for Douglas and making Andrew say he isnt into incest, just Ashley
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>>1147174 >Julia would be so deep into hell for violence. Self-flagellation is a Christian virtue actually
>>1147325 Are Julia simps just one guy (You)?
>>1147379 No, there's at the very least 3 others
>>1147421 Interesting... I can't be compelled to give a damn about her at all, she's just a side character like the gamer girl from the 3rd floor.
>>1147106 >She didn't have any problem going to Grandpa Graves for money She was lying though her teeth the whole time and trying to act like they only needed some cash because they bought a new car. >Getting rid of her kids + not having to pay for them would literally give her everything she wanted Letting the Grandfather get his way would also prove both of their families right about her abilities as a mother. Also more importantly than anything else. Douglas was against enabling his father's parenting ways, Renee was not going to jeopardy her relationship to get rid of a pair of kids she didn't give a shit about.
>>1147325 Suicide is not. successful or otherwise.
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>>1147379 we are legion
>>1147004 By the way, am I getting it right? Their parents planned to kill their grandparents. ...and decided to write a confession to them planning to do this, within walking distance of their grandparents house?
>>1147497 What is it about her that you like so much?
>>1147436 >She was lying though her teeth the whole time She doesn't have a problem with lying. >>1147436 >Letting the Grandfather get his way would also prove both of their families right about her abilities as a mother. And letting them starve to death in the quarantine wouldn't? She doesn't care about her image as a mother, as well. That's what I'm getting at - Nemiel made Renee (and Douglas) retroactively too vile, self-serving, ruthless and indifferent, which then clashes with their actions.
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>>1147529 she cute
>>1147529 Just don't respond to image spammers. He'll tire himself out in a few days without any attention.
>>1147543 >answered a question >hurr durr he's a spammer me thinks you might have cognitive issues
>>1147543 not gonna happen. the julia spammer has been posting julia on /calg/ every day for years no matter how dead /calg/ was
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>>1147529 She knows trees are made of wood.
>>1147541 >And letting them starve to death in the quarantine wouldn't? No, she is a poor victim who lost both of her children to an unfortunate event.
>>1147588 There's nothing in the game indicating she cared about public opinion. Otherwise she would've actually cared about Ashley's behaviour as a kid/teen, or her going to work at a "massage parlour." Instead she housed and fed a literal monster. Sorry, it's a plot hole. The Renee presented in Episode 3 would've sucked Grandpa's cock to get the deal he offered her.
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>>1147541 >Nemiel made Renee (and Douglas) retroactively too vile, self-serving, ruthless and indifferent, which then clashes with their actions Sounds pretty human to me
>>1147638 Read the rest of the exchange. The way Nemiel retroactively portrayed Renee's goals makes no sense for her to not accept Grandpa's offer, which gave her everything she would ever want (assuring Andrew a good future; getting rid of Ashley; separating the two; saving a shitload of cash; being alone with Douglas).
>>1147614 >or her going to work at a "massage parlour." I thought she did have a problem with that?
>>1147672 No, she figures Ashley is trying to manipulate her into allowing her to stay a NEET, not understanding that Ashley has absolutely no sense of self-worth.
Imagine if the entire game was a fic on Ao3. Would she have been fighting people in the comments the whole time?
>>1147875 She's too tight-lipped to do that.
>>1147875 >>1147906 You should have seen the early days when she was in the itch.io comments
>>1148016 Sure, but now she DFE'd and disappeared, essentially. Due to 4chan being down I can't even find a screenshot of that post where she discussed the planned endings.
>>1146877 Guitar Hero 3 moment
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What is your favorite scene in episode 3 (either route)? For me, it has to be Andrew going for 2nds after kissing Ashley in his dream.
>>1147431 She's a cute nice girl who has big tits, big ass and makes silly jokes What's not to love >>1147444 But she wasn't trying suicide
>>1148050 The plan is 4 endings, 2 for Burial and 2 for Decay. We have 1 ending already with Shots and Such. >>1117091
>>1147515 The Graves arent smart
>>1148155 >What's not to love She made Andrew DIRTY. She DEFILED him. Julia can NEVER be forgiven for that.
>>1148169 No, I mean a much earlier post, now deleted, where she lists that there would be at least one "unironic good ending," one "evil ending" and one "selfish ending."
>>1148192 Andrew was the one who defiled Jules because he was COPING about not wanting Ashley
>>1148284 And the irony of it all is that Ashley doesn't want Andrew sexually, and sees it more like a necessary evil to keep him. She's basically asexual.
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>>1148284 Who the fuck is Jules
>>1148255 well you can always try looking in the archives, but I'm not aware of any mention about three endings being good, evil, or selfish. I do know that in the second devlog she said that she wanted to tell us what kind of endings there were but wouldn't. Also that in the first Progress Report she had to clarify that Decay and Burial weren't just the "bad" and "good" routes. https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/
>>1148300 Ashley does wants Andrew sexually, Leyley is the one who sees it as a way to keep him around >>1148330 Jules is also a nickname for Julia
>>1148404 Ashley and Leyley are the same person. She's not repressing anything, she lacks even a smidge of impulse control. Plus she's too stupid to do that. We already see how her selfish ending looks in "_ in the box," where she gets everything she wants, and has absolutely no sexual inclinations towards Andrew.
>>1148404 Ashley is okay with sex but doesn't need or look for it. Her desires are emotional, not physical. Always were.
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>>1148434 nemlei confirms she has sexual needs
>>1148255 I think that whole thing was bullshit First time I saw people talk about those three endings was after coming here and there is no source other than someone saying that it was a comment in the steam forums
>>1148300 She is not asexual, it's just extremely low on her list of priorities and she has several complexes. Apparently, when drunk, she can get quite sexual. When sober, she doesn't think about it much outside of how it can benefit her.
>>1148460 She's arguing semantics here. The crux of the matter is Ashley doesn't care for sex. The reasons are different than just "she doesn't want to" - that's it. But she still gets nothing out of it.
>>1148460 Sex with Andrew is a danger for Leyley, because if she ever comes around Ashley will surely end Leyley.
>>1148481 >Ashley doesn't care for sex then she wouldn't say I don't wanna die a virgin while andrew is chasing her
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>HaHAHahaAHAHAhaHA why is nemlei like this
>>1148532 she's da joker baby
>>1148509 That and she wouldn't have been so hurt by Andrew's rejection that night when she first came onto him, if it was merely a power play to her.
>>1148532 millennial
>>1148532 It looks better than >HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at least in these situations
>>1148568 She wasn't hurt because she wanted sex - she was hurt because Andrew rejected her. He is the only source of validation in her life.
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>>1146372 Considering we already have a self-cest game, why do people doubt Nemlei was going not going to feature full on incest in coffin. p.s Marion is cuter
>>1148144 That's a good one. I like all the scenes when A&A are teenagers. I was really into it. That whole sequence starting with their fight over dating Julia, then making up and almost being together, only to end disastrously is my favorite.
>>1148921 it ain't even a selfcest game when they didn't fuck in any ending
>>1148614 But what was Andrew rejecting? Something that was important to Ashley or not? It's more plausible that the rejection had such a strong effect because what Ashley was offering was significant to her. Otherwise the fallout would not have been too different from a typical fight between them.
>>1149328 See the "_ in the box" ending. It's literally the only time where Ashley's sprite is smiling, because she gets everything she wanted. And how is Andrew like? Even worse than Douglas and completely incapable of saying "no" to her. It gets very easy to understand Ashley when you take into account that you're dealing with a sociopathic child in an adult's body. Her mindset never moved past being a kid.
>>1148144 I really liked S&S, it was how i always thought they would end like ??? playing with the RC car was funny too Also Julia tongue
>>1148144 Princess scene was cute and sad, Andrew, you should have held her!
nemlei more like memelei haha
I dreamt about physically hurting my sister last night and it felt amazing... for a bit before I grabbed her and started apologizing. But even then I felt like I was mostly doing it because it was what I'm supposed to do
>>1150972 >baggy tshirt and panties Gottdayam
Anybody know anything about the Anon that planned on manually renaming every image from the new game files?
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>>1148144 Every conversation where they rip their hearts out at each other, and every romantic gesture between these two amidst all the chaos. It melts me, im such a sucker for moments like that
>>1149910 That ending is Leyley's desires ultimately fulfilled. Based on this post: >>1148434 we disagree on the idea of there being essentially two Ashleys: Ashley and Leyley. One reason I think the two Ashley idea is more plausible is because the whole game continually refers to the notion of both Andrew and Ashley choosing between two ways of being. Andrew makes this choice in ep3 explicitly. I support the idea that the post-dream sequence when A&A are teenagers was a move by Leyley towards becoming Ashley, but was stopped by the rejection. That Ashley had actual sexual desire, but since that time has not.
>>1150972 A shame we don't see Ashley's facial expression when she was whispering in Andrew's ear. If it was her usual smirk it would be obvious she was baiting him into saying "I need you" and that's it. If she was blushing to however...
>>1151035 Didn't he finish a little before 4chan died?
>>1148921 Is fucking yourself gay?
>>1151152 Andrew thinks so >>1151139 Based, thanks.
>>1151152 It's masturbation
>>1148169 Wait, i thought that we were going to have other two endings in decay part 2. So S&S was the first ending of that route? >>1148330 Former leader of the Saints
Anything I need to know before playing the meme incest game?
I keep hitting reply only to have my posts disappear into the ether >>1151112 I mean, I DID actually hit her once, but that's when we were younger. My dream played out exactly like the Coffin car scene though. She was being so fucking annoying until I snapped and just struck her across the face. There was such an immense satisfaction that washed over me after I did
>>1151202 Just that it isn't an incest game per se.
>>1151202 I didn't even know there were demons involved when all I knew of the game was incest memes. I was pleasantly surprised by my low expectations getting btfo, I should have picked this game up day fucking 1. Enjoy, anon.
>>1151202 Love your Sister!
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>>1151202 That finnland is based
>>1151197 >So S&S was the first ending of that route? Yes. I assume we are going to get more endings like Splat and _ in a box but as far as Nemlei's autism is concerned that was the first out of 4 endings.
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>>1151328 This was a major turn on
>>1151328 The hussy is defeated
>>1151328 >>1151340 >>1151353 >Ashley thinks she's being cucked in real time. >In actuality, Andrew was cooking the whole time. >Total Ashley victory!
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>>1150972 why was there missing text before rejection?
>>1151328 And there are still people who think it's all mental illness and he is not legitimately in love with her.
>>1151415 not sure what you mean, I don't make the images, I just take them and post them
>>1151415 I presumed he was just mumbling "Ashley" in his sleep. >>1151436 It is mental illness for him to be in love with her, but that doesn't make his feelings not legitimate.
>>1151415 It's to imply that Andrew was answering all of the questions Ashley was asking him in Andrew's wet dream(the answer was Ashley, over and over again). It's implied that he was saying this out loud in his sleep.
>>1151353 >>1151408 Guess who's back Back again
>>1151455 >Julia phone scene happens only in Cliffhanger >Julia break out scene only happens in Shots & Such The two scenes are mutually exclusive to one another. Both can't happen in the same playthrough.
>>1151486 Derp. I always forget that
>>1151486 And in both cases she completely dumps Andrew too.
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>>1151353 >>1151408 >julia got the best of him while ashley got julia's sloppy seconds >all current endings are positive for julia while ashley only has one positive ending
>>1151515 Unless they end up killing Julia in Cliffhanger or Burial, she will always get a positive ending by staying away from them lmao Killing Julia will also 100% end up in a fucked up ending for the siblings too so she keeps winning
>>1151495 >Shots & Such Andrew tries to manipulate Julia into taking him back so he can escape Ashley and the consequences of his actions. Here he fails miserably and crawls right back to Ashley, where Julia(probably at Jane's behest) lays the perfect trap to ensure Andrew and Ashley's relationship is forever tainted. >Cliffhanger Andrew goes in the full intention of burning the Julia bridge in front of Ashley. Not only does he accomplish his goal, but he also roasts Jane right in front of Julia and Ashley. Andrew also wins Ashley's respect and a bit more trust from her.
>>1151515 Thinking about it, it's possible that Ashley never saw the two together as a couple. I don't think there is any situation where the three are in the same room and knifes don't get involved. Wonder if anything would have changed if Ashley saw through Andrew's shit and noticed how fake he was about it all.
>>1151600 The truth of a matter doesn't matter to Ashley, though. She's completely in her own world.
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>>1151600 Ashley probably is so insecure that use Julia as a fallguy to keep festering the low self image she has of herself. Andrew even call her out that killing Nina was not enough, so killing Julia wouldn't be either. Maybe the greater barrier between the siblings is all their self loathing.
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>>1151600 Ashley did see through Andrew's shit because she was stalking them
>>1151668 I wonder how literal we're meant to take this. Obviously she was all over Andrew's relationship in the sense of her bothering him about it all the time. But I wonder if she ever actually stalked them
>>1151668 Was that supposed to be her actually physically stalking the two or more representative of her being a kind of "looming presence" over their relationship in the form of e.g. phone terror?
>>1151703 I think eyeball puzzle also implies she stalked them
>>1151724 >eyeball puzzle Anon... which one?
>>1151746 with the ashley eyeballs in vision obviously
>>1151724 I think that puzzle was showing Andrew hiding his relationship from her. Thought I'm not sure how that works. Whole school but Ashley knew he was dating Julia, I know she was a bit of a pariah but you would expect that at least one of her bullies would have said something about it.
>>1151837 Maybe it was more about not showing any affection towards Julia with Ashley seeing it, considering she threated self-immolation over it.
>>1151703 >I wonder how literal we're meant to take this. Completely. Ashley canonically has glowing demon eyes.
>>1151908 The puzzle happens just before Julia's ultimatum, when they were actively hiding it from her.
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ashley is made for the cuck chair
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>>1151942 Ah, true that I guess. In that case apparently Ashley really wasn't told about it by anyone.
>>1151975 >I rigged it!
>>1151436 It's mental illness on her part. On his it's more uncertain.
>>1151436 That *is* the mental illness.
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>>1152411 Love is the true illness, very poetic
OK, so since it's been brought up in other threads. Nemiel has stated in the past that there will be an actual "good ending," in a non-ironic way. How do you see it going about? And on which route?
>>1152496 Oh, I don't know why you're not there I give you my love but you don't care So what is right and what is wrong? What else can I say, it's up to you I know we're one, just me and you I can't go on What is love? Baby, don't hurt me Don't hurt me no more
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>>1151328 I really like how Andrew spoke in that scene, the obvious assumption is that he's talking to Julia but with how the scene plays out, you can interpret it as him speaking to Ashley instead and just using her insecurities over his ex and testing if she can "behave" to be candid for the only time ever
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>>1152629 >I don't care about your shitty love poems
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>>1152573 I liked the idea of the Natural Born Killers scenario for Burial.
>>1152573 If the good/selfish/bad ending thing is true Shots and Such is the selfish end, becoming demons or their slaves is the bad end, and in the good end ???'s vision comes true. How that works out in practice is anyone's guess. Maybe it's not so different from Shots and Such but they have a more stable situation and a clear path to a more loving, mature relationship.
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>>1152779 Stupid Ashley, you are to appreciate them
>>1152781 But that's already what happens in "Shots and Such."
>>1152887 I mean them embracing a nomad lifestyle commiting murders all across the landscape until it catches up to them, Bonnie and Clyde style. S&S is more of a failed marriage scenario
>>1152764 >interpret Did anyone think for over a second that he was talking to Julia? Why is that I have to answer a captcha every post now?
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>>1152920 The endings are supposed to be radically different from one another. Plus, Nemiel outright stated that Burial shares none of the events and connections to Decay, so I imagine it'll be very, very different. As to Decay's upcoming second ending, I don't think that Ashley will survive that one.
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>>1153199 Pervert!
>>1153199 pronebone
>>1152978 >Why is that I have to answer a captcha every post now? 8chan is STRUGGLING to keep up with demand.
>>1153221 >cont. I also think that at least one ending will be Andrew's consciousness going back to when they were children, and him stuffing Ashley inside the box instead of Nina or just outright sacrificing her in the basement to LU. After all, any outside observer that actually wants to help Andrew would immediately think "she has to go."
>>1153445 By the by, who is the administrator of 8chan?
>>1153467 >any outside observer that actually wants to help Andrew would immediately think "she has to go." Andrew would kill them before any of that happens
>>1153445 In other threads/generals, I heard something about people generally flooding and shit. Also that 4cuck might be coming back after the weekend, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is adversarial
>>1153472 Surgeon
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>>1153490 no way
>>1153445 I found the reason, some 4chan schizo started spamming the shit out of /xivg/
>>1153483 Pfff... are you serious? Andrew in Decay only refuses to kill her, at least on the non-game over routes, because he thinks he's too far gone to have a normal life, which is something he desperately wants. So if LU would actually be able to give him another chance, in return for Ashley's soul, he wouldn't hesitate for a second.
>>1153500 A lot of people were quick to call 8chan better than 4chan. But now that post volume and schizo count is increasing, I think people realize there's no place like home. I appreciate the 8chan guys for taking us in, but I really think everyone will be happier when we all go back
my piece of shit sister is very similar to ashley in behavior, a couple of years ago I dreamed of butchering her and burying her remains while I have no attraction for her, I felt really close to andrew in his struggle of having to deal with someone who refuses to grow up
>>1153532 >Go back Go back where? It'll be weeks before the site is up, and the genie won't go back into the bottle - the jannies will bring down the brooms 10x harder.
>>1153532 Damn, thread is so good tho without the usual /calg/ schizos. How many original 8chan fags itt?
>>1153532 I agree. This thread certainly feels a lot lower quality than the last one.
>>1153532 Nah, I'll be staying here for actual discussion. I'll probably skim threads on 4chin but it'll just devolve into the samefagging/pervasive shitposting that every thread always has. They won't fix anything that needs fixing and the jannies and mods will be as lazy as before
>>1153560 Who are the usual /calg/ schizos? Outside of the roastie that wants ??? to cuck Andrew
>>1153532 >>1153564 As opposed to 4chan, at least thanks to IDs you immediately know who the schizo is, since samefagging is made much more difficult.
>>1153532 >but I really think everyone will be happier when we all go back Speak for yourself. Coming back to that site is just a bad idea.
>>1153505 >believing Copedrew In the one path he does kill her he has a schizo meltdown then slits his wrists. Those are his true feelings. Making him not care about Ashley would solve his problem of having mutually incompatible desires but can he bring himself to go through with it? >>1153532 Yeah, as bad as 4chan was I don't like being a rapefugee.
>>1153575 I am not a fan of ID's, I don't like being identified >samefagging Overblown issue, at least where I hang out.
>>1153532 I think a lot of us were happier here because we got to avoid those schizos. If 4chan comes back I will probably hang around both places
>>1153583 He feels trapped with her in Decay. And he's right, he is, she won completely on that front. But given the chance at a normal life, especially if you'd include some "going back in time" shenanigans, he'd do it in a heartbeat. He hates Ashley in Decay, just as much as he loves her.
>>1153532 You COULD just use both
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>>1153572 moidposter, picrel and what generally felt like constant shitting up of the thread
>>1153604 I don't know if paranoia is getting to me, but i think that, besides 4chan jannie team being a bunch of useless dogs, if the site returns, they will probably keep on tabs where the 4chan refugges hanged out since then and target those sites. I don't like the idea of 4chan adding up to the lineup of the monopoly of the web (Xitter, Facebook, Google, etc), Also, after all that happened, its impossible that the users won't mock the team now more than ever, so besides having to make the site from the ground up, they need a new team behind, and im not sure that would turn out well.
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>andy is super horny and in love with ashley >doesn't understand why anyone would date her he thought leyley isn't attractive?
>>1153706 No, he thought she's batshit insane.
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>>1153706 he knows that she has a slightly problematic personality
>>1153727 >Nigger if post volume and schizo count is the thing that ruins things then the absolute last thing we want is to go back to 4chan. Anon-tachi, the point is that both will increase over time and 4chan has higher QOL. But whatever man, I don't get paid to get you to post anywhere. I've stuck by /calg/ for years and I'm not abandoning it now
>>1153575 Samefagging is how I keep threads alive. And besides, there are other reasons I don't like this website. The layout is less compact. The thread page doesn't show the thread's page number within the index. The reply widget's text box's content persists between closing and opening it. And just now, the site just informed me that I filled out a CAPTCHA incorrectly, despite not showing me a CAPTCHA. It's like a cruel facsimile of Web1 made by a Web3 developer with no care for the fundamentals.
>>1153706 I think it's because he's stuck between wanting to be normal but also in love with her. He can't sort out his mental perspective at all
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>>1153759 I like Ashley way too much man. And i understand Andrew falling for her completely. There is just something about cute batshit insane girls femme fatales that i just find unresistible and addictive.
>>1153806 >4chan >QoL ror rumao even
>>1153814 Personally I find that images take forever to load, I don't like how when you reply to a post you automatically go to the bottom of the thread. Little things like having the catalog open and then going to another board doesn't automatically have you at the catalog. 5 images per post don't inline well and are often cropped by the edge of my monitor, etc. Overall it feels really clunky >>1153847 You know I'm right!
>>1153806 >4chan >QOL LOL. Unless you mean 4chan x, which has nothing to do with the site itself.
>>1153784 I can fix her...
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>>1153827 if you love ashley even though you're not into incest you're really shallow. she's the epitome of modern western woman >manipulative >lies >wants to have more authority in relationship than her bf >shows a lot of skin >wears choker >too much makeup >doesn't want kids >tried to become a prostitute >aborted >acts like she has BPD >obsessed with a handsome abuser >she's a satanist >massive attentionwhore >assumes the worst about her bf >sees affection as transactional >immoral >doesn't respect her bf's boundaries
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>>1153806 >QoL >Fucking 15 minutes timer and email verification I, too, liked /calg/ a lot, and in fact it was the only place i hanged out in that site, but it was becoming a slog to use.
>>1153880 >15 minutes timer I must be insane for only having dealt with this once. The first time it came up, I had to sit through it. Ever since then it's literally never been an issue for me. Are you guys phoneposting or something?
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>>1153879 You're not wrong, but atleast she really loves Andrew
>>1153933 She doesn't love Andrew. She has no choice but to love him, specifically. Literally no one else in existence wants anything to do with her (because she's a monster) other than maybe stuff their cock inside.
>>1153979 >She doesn't love Andrew
>>1153879 I just like mentally ill women that might kill me.
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>>1153879 The thing about Ashley is if you are her "Andrew", because as >>1153933 pointed at, she is a great example of someone madly in love, even if is misguided. She has qualities of her own, only reserved to her soulmate. >Attentive >Supportive >Fierce >Passionate >Loyal >Willing to make a home, cooking and nurturing who she loves, even if she's not very good at it at first, she tries It's the simple things... I could make the best out of a girl like that, she could make the best of me. "Broken pieces that fits eachother" kind of thing. Also >she's a satanist >immoral Those are a bonus
>>1153879 You forget the most important. >will make choices that will actively harm her and her partner, even is she knows that, because she has zero impulse control
>>1153933 >>1154005 I'm not sure she can even feel love. in SnS she gets pissed because she finally gave him good sex and she can't name one reason why she loves him
>>1153869 Just the fact that I can use a vpn without paying and post here is already more QoL than 4chan, so I don't need to worry about if the site gets hacked (like 4chan) and worry about whether my ip and posts are going to get dumped on the internet, so I know you're wrong. The other shit is just nitpicks because it's not what you're used to because you've never used an altchan before
>>1154018 >in SnS she gets pissed because she finally gave him good sex and she can't name one reason why she loves him That's because she is actually really shy when it comes to that kind of thing, she hates being vulnerable
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Julia > Renee > Ashley > Nina > 202
>>1154023 >I don't need to worry about if the site gets hacked (like 4chan) and worry about whether my ip and posts are going to get dumped on the internet Tbdesu I'm not worried about my posts being dumped online. I'm dumping them online myself. What, are they going to find out I like Coffin? The horror! Beats having thread IDs. I'll take the risk of being de-anonimized over the certainty of being de-anonimized >The other shit is just nitpicks because it's not what you're used to Yeah obviously, what were you expecting? QOL complaints are always minor stuff >because you've never used an altchan before I've been using 8chan for years, but you'll choose not to believe me
>>1154120 You are seething over not being able to samefag. This is astounding.
>>1154100 Wrong and gay
>>1154129 ids are gay and lame this is just a fact deal with it
>>1154129 >seething God forbid I make conversation around here
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>>1154146 Julia is the best wife material by far Renee is Ashley if Ashley wasn't a satanic cannibal Ashley is cute Nina was a whore in the making 302 was a actual whore
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>>1154166 >>1154005 >>1151112 >>1148330 I love Ashley so much bros
>>1154129 It's not astounding if you're used to these types sadly. They want to act like a retard without repercussions. Thankfully we have IDs now so it's an easy filter.
>>1154175 >Nina was a whore in the making Neener did nothing wrong!
>>1154194 She was a bitch to Ashley despite accepting to become her friend just because she wanted Andrew (age 9 btw)
>>1154175 >Julia is the best wife material Julia is a whore who has sex out of wedlock with someone she doesn't love nor loves her
>>1154222 How was she supposed to know Andrew was a siscon thoughbeit
>>1154129 the fact that he thinks he's going to convince or convert anyone back to the hellhole is impressive, too Let all the shitters congregate when the hellhole comes back and they can smear each other in shit and talk to themselves, I'll be fine with hanging out with the newfags who like it better and the oldfags who knew better
>>1154249 How didn't she know? Julia, Friend B, and maybe Doug were the only people who didn't figure it out. Jane knew and she still didn't figure it out. She might have figured it out by Shots and Such but that still makes her *insanely* slow on the uptake
>>1154215 Ashley is a weirdo who bites people! Nina was being kind
>>1154277 When 4chan eventually gets back online, one of two things will happen: 1. They will immediately get hacked again, since absolutely everything about the infrastructure has been leaked. 2. Every single board will be a massive shitshow, since every single jannie has been completely doxed by now. And I don't think they'll find any new volunteers who aren't unironic schizophrenics.
>>1154299 >Julia does not believe in malicious rumors What a good girl >>1154324 >since absolutely everything about the infrastructure has been leaked. It's not like Yotsuba is a unknown engine
>>1154313 reminder that she was only friends with Ashley to get with Andrew
>>1154175 >Nina was a whore in the making If Nina was a whore for befriending Ashley just to try to get inside Andrew pants what does that make Julia who actually got inside his pants while doing the same thing?
>>1154313 She didn't deserved to die though, especially not in the horrifying way it happened
>>1154374 I still can't understand people defending Ashley. She's a literal, irredeemable monster, without a single positive trait to her.
>>1154372 Nina was way more upfront about it at the very least It's not like Julia and Nina were planning to have a cute and funny threesome with Andrew, cmon now
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>>1154372 A mega hussy flozie SLUT!
>>1154417 She's cute, that's redeemable enough
>>1154417 Ashley didn't do anything wrong
>>1154417 > without a single positive trait to her. She can bake!
nvm I like this site better fuck 4chin, once it's back up I will probably use both sites but morally supporting this one and hoping 4chin becomes irrelevant to me
>>1154417 Wife material
>>1154487 No please go away
>>1154277 We had a similar situation before when hotwheels opened up prime, but most people went back to halfchan eventually anyways. I can't imagine it will be any different this time.
>>1154417 she's too pitiful to truly hate
>>1154483 She bakes people.
>>1154483 andrew didn't even wanna try those nasty cookies
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>>1151202 Watch Hannibal season 1-2-3
>>1154522 Nailed it. She even gets more pitiful the worse she gets as a person.
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>>1154596 He was feeling more thirsty than hungry
>>1151202 >>1154629 And read Fire Punch
>>1154842 Funny how the entire story of Fire Punch can be summarized as Agni trying to fuck a look-a-like of his incestuous sister.
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>>1154842 >>1154928 >Shots and Such
>>1152496 Incest, dipshit.
>>1154842 I keep forgetting that Fire Punch is the most over-the-top incest work of fiction ever concieved
>>1155257 It's not though, the sister dies in like the first chapter.
>>1154417 She's hilarious, though, so she at least has that going for her.
>>1153880 >>1153929 You know, it can be annoying if you're phoneposting (i never got that timer more than once on PC) but i'm volunteering for another board and a bunch of schizos keep saying it's easier to evade here than on 4chan, and i think that timer plays a huge part on ti
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>>1154928 >>1155275 He not only finds her actual reincarnation, but also mindbreaks her to remember her past life and fucks her until the heat death of the universe
>>1155296 DUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRR HUR DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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>>1155332 Julia whispering sweet nothings into my ear...
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>>1155280 women "humor" isn't hilarious
>>1155339 Bro I have the original manga sitting on a shelf next to me.
>>1155339 But she did die tho, her doopleganger is not his sister
>>1155339 Her quiet whispers in your ear as you both drift to sleep
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>>1155416 >julia becomes your gf >she leaves you because jane convinced her you're a right wing extremist
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>>1155393 That doesn't prevent you from speedreading, I'm afraid. >>1155405 Wasn't questioning that.
>>1155480 why do I get the impression Jane would've talked endless shit about Andrew even if he wasn't a sisterfucking sociopath
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>>1155480 Jane IS the right wing catholic extremist anon
>>1155480 >anons make and post Julia being abused for months >Ashley ends up abused Divine retribution
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>>1155502 >>1155520 Jane saw this raging homo and recognised the dangers he presented to her impressionable little sister immediately. It was her role to protect her family from corrupting influences.
>>1155702 Based Jane
>>1155744 The female version of grandpa
>>1154417 She's fun and she sucks.
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>>1153221 >so I imagine it'll be very, very different. You can't have many endings that are very, very different and at the same time coherent with the characters personalities and the mood of the game. I believe that all of the endings will be variations of three basic outcomes; they staying together, they killing each other and they both dying by some external force. >>1153221 >I don't think that Ashley will survive that one. Remember that LU route originates from a full heart in Nemlei's chart, so I don't think there will be any fratricide
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>>1146857 Is it normal for siblings to peep at each other when they are teenagers?
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>>1156347 Shots and Such follows the heart so it's no guarantee of a happy ending either, and we did see this vision.
>>1146898 Granny Graves was also alright
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>>1155339 Holy fuggin' saved!
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>>1157275 if you get horny from seeing naked family members you're a porn addict or non white
>>1156347 >Remember that LU route originates from a full heart in Nemlei's chart, so I don't think there will be any fratricide Sure, but Andrew desperately wants to have a chance at a normal life in the Decay route, and hates Ashley and her decisions for having denied those to him. Plus he finally seems to realise just how much she's responsible for fucking up him and his life. And LU seems powerful enough to be able to do some time travel/consciousness moving shenanigans, and rewind time for Andrew to a point where his life was still salvageable. It's his price for such an act that's more interesting, since he seems uninterested in just harvesting souls.
>>1157275 No, some guy was just coping in a previous thread saying that Andrew only started feeling attracted to Ashley because he was a teenager without access to porn.
>>1153221 I've never said it would be happy, only that they'd end up together, like it happens in S&S. Even in Splat they end up committing a lover's suicide
>>1158867 I think it's fair to assume it will be on a happier side considering all ends on the shoot Andrew branch are bittersweet at best. I also really don't think there will be any true ending where they split up or establish a more normal sibling relationship, at most we will get a short fail branch like bitch in a box. At the end of the day this is essentially a romance story intended for women, Ashley won't be the one to lose.
Atleast Burial wont have the retarded camping part
>>1159439 It'll have a hussy kissing part
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>>1159518 ...With Julia's new bf
>>1159558 >Julia's new bf Me
>>1159558 Uh, I meant to post this one
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>>1159710 Exactly, Me.
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>>1159439 It'll probably have something like it. They get along better with each other but if anything they're even more psychotic towards everyone else. In Questionable they used their parents' souls to both see the sex vision so they'll need to make an offering to recharge the talisman again. In Sane only Ashley used it so they should still have one left, so maybe they won't kill any innocents in that one, but they could easily end up using it again early on like they do in Decay.
>>1159823 I made this post
>>1159209 >I also really don't think there will be any true ending where they split up or establish a more normal sibling relationship I'm 100% with you on that, I think there's no chance for them to develop a normal relationship or to separate by their own decision at this point. The only way I could see that happening is by some time travel shenanigans, which I guess could be ok for some what if short route, but would be too lame and gay for a proper ending. >At the end of the day this is essentially a romance story intended for women, Ashley won't be the one to lose. I'm not with you on that though, in fact you could even say that to some extent Ashley already loses in Splat since she didn't wanted to commit suicide, but she didn't want to live without her brother either. I suppose Ashley will get fucked, and not literally, in some routes, and the same will happen to Andrew in other routes, but they'll all be "bad" routes, like the Andy one.
>>1159859 >It'll probably have something like it. But it will be most likely better written than the camping part, is what i meant >family pack value >>1159866 Me on the left
>>1159916 Splat is not counted as a real ending by Nemlei, no different than getting shot by the cops. Thought lovers suicide is pretty romantic and I think it's more positive than SnS.
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>>1159950 >Milady >The current ethos >bad poetry Andrew is cringe sometimes. Is what it is.
>>1159916 >>1160177 The way I determine "endings" from "outcomes" is whether the game prompts you to restart after. IIRC, this doesn't happen for SnS or Cliffhanger, but does for every other end from Warden Wins to Splat. Outcomes prompt you to start over, endings don't >>1159950 Me on the right
>>1160278 What happens if you reach the end without the ring? it drops you all the way back in the forest?
>>1159950 >>1160177 >>1160278 I like Splat as an outcome better than Shots and Such honestly. It's unfortunate Nemnems doesn't consider it a "proper" ending. It certainly doesn't feel like all the "random asshole kills the siblings" fail states.
>>1160418 Dunno, never tried it
>>1160278 Is it just because both of them cut themselves
>>1160436 It's irrelevant to me if Nemlei considers it a "proper" ending or not, because it is in fact a great ending that works perfectly as a conclusion for the story. Even better if Nemlei keeps on giving us kino endings "for free" since she doesn't consider them "proper" endings.
>>1160436 Splat does ask if you if you have any "regrets" and you can just be booted back to the main menu if you want. It's like halfway a definitive ending and halfway one of the joke ones.
>>1160509 In a totally sane, well adjusted, and normal way; I would cut myself for Julia
>>1160258 He is the kind of cringe that girls like tho see: Ashley and Julia
>>1160840 My life for Julia
>>1161272 Inshallah I dedicate my life for Juliahad!
Do you ever want to be like Nemlei? I want to be a good artist and writer and make cool games too!
How the fuck are you supposed to figure out the first puzzle where you have to assign the facial expressions of the Graves family? I only get through that part thanks to a post in the steam community.
>>1163546 There's only 24 possible combinations
>>1161745 Cute!
>>1163546 Basic reading ability is needed to fully enjoy this game.
>>1163546 I think it helps to first guess that each expression besides the mask is used once. Then mad makes most sense with mom, blank makes most sense with dad, etc. One problem though is that the puzzle happens at the very beginning of ch3 so some people won't have played the game for a while.
>>1163546 Nigga just play the game >Renee is angry all the time >Dad is an expressionless NPC >Andy is annoyed all the time >Leyley is miserable because her parents ignore her
>>1163546 I got stuck on that one too, despite breezing through every other puzzle.
>>1163527 I want to do unspeakable things to that cat
>>1163546 It's funny. I was going to suggest the correct answer might have actually been that it's their overworld faces. Because it looked like that might have been the case. But looking it up now, no it isn't, at least not for the parents. If anything that makes it seem even worse because what's supposed to be the expressions they make isn't literally the expressions they make in the game.
>>1163700 To be fair, I thought Andy was the sad one and Leyley the annoyed one. That fit well
>>1163950 This fucked me up too. Not only do the faces not line up, I thought Big Pink was mom because girls are pink, so I had Big Green as the dots for a while
>>1163950 Yeah I think that the way it's partially their sprite faces (andy and ashley), and partly not (mom and dad), makes the puzzle not that great.
>>1164161 There should be a small indicator for when you get a face right (like a chair appearing at the table or something)
>>1163950 God the dad was so fucking useless Jesus fuck. No wonder everyone in that family is fucked up, no strong male energy makes everything degenerate without fail
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>>1164189 >has to provide by day >gets sucked dry by his succubus wife by night You try to have some energy after that shit on a daily basis
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>>1147024 Because it wasn't offered to Renee at all, it was offered to Douglas by his father. Grandpa hated Renee, so if Grandpa were to invest in his grandkids education, it was Douglas who had to agree.
>>1164000 Yeah dunno if anyone else had this but I was under the impression that the dad had blue eyes. Maybe because of his personality. It completely threw me off the "sheets = eye color" logic even though I should have probably should have guessed that was the case.
>>1163950 I just noticed how their expressions matches between eachother on the sprites >Andrew and Renee poker face >Ashley and Douglas sad face
>>1164358 >I was under the impression that the dad had blue eyes Anon...
>>1164521 That scene made me laugh pretty hard.
>>1164521 >Weren't you supossed to be winning son?
>>1164473 Having pink eyes make you sad. Having green eyes turns you into madotsuki/frisk. >>1164521 Yeah I didn't say I was right. There's already a picture of him a few posts above you. It definitely suits his depressed/meek personality though.
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>>1164786 >blue eyes = meek and depressed Elaborate
>>1164786 You probably thought that because his text is blue, and text color generally lines up with eye color
>>1164849 It's just red oni blue oni trope warm colors = energetic cold colors = lethargic
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Now I need to see more of these two.
>>1164900 >cold colors = lethargic Wait a minute...
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>>1164911 Me too >>1164922 Exactly
>>1164849 Being depressed is literally called "the blues". >>1164858 That explains a lot, good catch. Also shows that Nemlei is associating him with the color blue as well.
>>1164911 They are in Ashley stomach
>>1165094 Ashley and Andrew peeled the flesh from their skulls and tossed it into the fireplace. What a sad ending to their tale.
>>1163950 Ashley overlay sprite always looks so cute
>>1165193 They could had avoided such fate by loving their kids
>>1165307 >loving their kids Eww no, that's like hella gay
>>1165336 Ashley please...
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>>1165455 >tch, fucking thing is bothering me again. I have work, I don't want to deal with this shit Go bother your brother
>>1165447 >implying Ashley wouldn't simply backhand the little bitch OOC
>>1165563 Ashley is all talk, she wouldn't backhand anyone
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>>1165594 ...unless they really deserved it.
>>1165657 Andrew becomes snarky when hit while Ashley completely folds. Why do you think that is? Just a guy/girl difference?
>>1165831 Of course. A little girl would fold if her mom slapped her.
>>1165831 Being hit let Andrew know that he was finally getting to Ashley, which is always funny. The hit isn't a big deal because women are weak Being hit showed Ashley that the gloves were off and she was stuck with a man able and willing to hurt her
>>1159859 That's not how it works, in Decay both Andrew and Ashley saw the vision in the car when the trinket only had one charge remaining, so it only uses one charge per vision.
>>1165307 I don't know what they expected, you can't just leave kids alone all the time and then expect that they're raised and well-adjusted at 18.
>>1166043 Douglas was probably too depressed to care while Renee outright hates them. Poor kids never had a chance
>>1166043 that's why you kick them out the moment they turn 18 so they can bootstrap themselves and quit being childish in lala land.
>>1166043 >>1166166 Realistically they would find role models elsewhere, like Andrew would join a gang or something
>>1166175 They did. Ashley's role model was Andrew and Andrew's was /lit/fags
>>1165657 Is this the hardest we've seen Ashley blush, or has their been an instance of her blushing even harder.
>>1165831 Andrew does fold. Ashley wants him to leave and that's exactly what he does. The snark is just saving face, because like >>1165918 says he's a man and isn't afraid of her. He feels bad about getting her so upset and knows he should give her space. >>1165991 You're right. I guess I remembered Andrew worrying about it better than what actually happened lmao
>>1166203 Nah, it was only right there and back when they were talking in the tower. It's cute when Ashley has to face her romantic attraction to Andrew
>>1166203 Definitely the hardest she blushed
Important reminder before any of you start being jerks about Ashley
>>1166476 Andrew fumbled so fucking hard damn
>>1166476 This was probably the most mature stage of her life
>>1166514 It's funny how teen Ashley seemed much more reasonable than adult womanchild Ashley
>>1166476 Her sense of style is so off that now I am wondering if she might be have a mild case of autism. It would explain a lot.
>>1166545 She regressed hard after getting her heart broken by that dirty used goods manwhore of a brother.
>>1146349 >Would you fuck your sister? No. My sister is fat and ugly, also very mean.
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>>1166545 That's because she regressed back to Leyley after getting denied by Andrew >>1166551 She has that Chris-Chan style there
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>>1166551 And she's been wearing the same sort of thing since she was kid
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>>1166567 >>1166581 I wonder if Andrew realized that it's his fault after his therapy session with doc Unknown >>1166551 Ashley is definitely stunted in some way, she's even wearing a bunnychu medallion lol
>>1166651 >Ashley is always drawing people as bunnies since she was a child >turns out she made that medallion herself and keeps a pile of badly drawn comics of her OCs Fuck
>>1166651 >I wonder if Andrew realized that it's his fault after his therapy session with doc Unknown He does, but it's not fair to blame him for it. He was only two years older than her. He wasn't a very good brotherdad, but he did his best in a position he never should have been in at all.
I just realized that the Ashley selection puzzle has a right answer. I chose right the first time and just assumed you could pick whichever you wanted
>>1166907 Uhhhh which puzzle?
>>1166822 Given the crappy world they live in, all the therapists are probably bought by Toxisoda
>>1166907 Microbiology Ashley, my beloved
>>1166551 Either Andrew is the one who picked out her clothes to wear as a child, or she was simply the one who had to do it herself, leading to her dressing the way a child would dress themselves into her teenage years. It's kind of depressing to think about.
>>1166933 Nvm I misread for some reason
>>1165657 Why was she so embarrassed anyways?
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>>1166822 I'd like to see Nemlei write A&A in relationship counseling
>>1167224 Well she said that the "they should inbreed" thing was a joke yet she grabbed his dick. Andrew pointing this out embarrassed her because it made it seem like she actually DID want to inbreed.
>>1167224 Try to put yourself in Ashley's shoes.
>>1167352 My feet don't fit
>>1167388 Lose the toes and they probably can.
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>>1167388 Such is the lot of being a man, brother.
Is there any point where Ashley blushes over something sexual other than when she get's embarrassed about the inbreeding thing? Im pretty sure she's not actually asexual but its hard to pin down exactly what she thinks about the idea of a more intimate relationship with Andrew. >>1167344 Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point?
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>>1167224 Ashley is a glasscannon and has the mind of a child. She can joke about sex and whatnot but when faced with the reality of her attraction to Andrew and the possibility of a physical relationship with him, she gets embarrassed. She's stuck in the "eww sex is icky" phase after getting rejected by Andrew when they were teens.
>>1167547 >Is there any point where Ashley blushes over something sexual other than when she get's embarrassed about the inbreeding thing? There's this, although I don't remember the context of this moment
>>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She worries Andrew thinks she's unfuckable, due to her low self esteem. That's how I interpreted it.
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>>1167607 >She can joke about sex and whatnot but when faced with the reality of her attraction to Andrew and the possibility of a physical relationship with him, she gets embarrassed Women, am i right
>>1167224 Ashley is confused and insecure about her feelings for Andrew and his feelings for her. She tried to get him to have sex with her because that was her last-ditch effort to avoid the vision where he kills her. He rejected her and told her he wouldn't want to use her like that, so she was embarrassed but also scared because she thought that meant she was doomed. It also probably called back memories of the time a year before they went into quarantine where she tried to approach him more sincerely and he panicked and ran off. But then they kissed and he did his best to reassure her she was safe with him. She's starting to understand he wants her not as a hussy but for who she is, including romantically, but she's not quite there yet. Just like she's on her way to seeing Andrew as a person instead of a safe object to meet her needs but she's not quite there yet. All of this makes her happy but also confused and vulnerable because she doesn't really know what to do with it, especially since none of her old games work on Andrew anymore. And then they have a fight and Andrew shits on all of that. She is big mad. >>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She is but she thinks he's just getting desperate because he can't fuck Julia anymore. He must really hate her if he's as handsy as he is but still won't seal the deal!
Ok, so, first off Put some mashers together for it And secondly The fact that this game has a cannibalistic Ashley is SOOOOooooo bizarre, because, a couple years back....hell, maybe even before 2020... Well, if anyone knows the Ashley of WarioWare, they'll probably know that there's a line in the Ashley's Song (English) that goes "and if you say no, you're toast!". Well, seeing as she's a witch, she can do magic. Sooooo, I visualized her ACTUALLY turning people into toast if they denied her friendship, and then eating them. And I was making a more.....voracious version of her song....cue This Game a few years later, with demons and magic and cannibalism AND AN ASHLEY! Soooooo yeah, also, she's ALSO kinda sassy.... It's like, how the fuck was my mind read like that?! And then it has my fave adult interest Bro-Siscest! Sooooo, yeah, this game is just a mindfuck for me....also, I'm pretty sure no one knows where Ashley's(WarioWare) parents are.... basically, it's a lot of similarities between 2 of my fave Dar(k)chetype girls!
>>1167745 So true sister
Just finished another play through and Lord Unknown I so desperately need what they have
Welp I guess it's time for my third drunken playthrough of episode 3. Let's see if I'm able to remember more things this time
>>1167778 Basically, some time before this game was made, I'm attracted to vore for some reason, and I like Ashley the Witch, so, I thought of making her song more on the vorey side...and then this comes out and it's just like THE FUUUUCK?! How?! The coincidence!
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>>1167547 >Is Ashley not aware of how much Andrew wants to fuck her at this point? She definitely doesn't understand him yet because she thinks her trinket/summoning are the reason he sticks around
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>>1167818 That does sound like a bizarre coincidence!
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>>1167818 Baader–Meinhof phenomenon
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>>1167786 Imagine any woman looking at you the way she looks at him.
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>>1168081 Find me somebody to love, find me somebody to love, find me somebody to love Can anybody find me somebody to love?
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>>1168201 Andy really should be replaced by Doug there
>>1168204 Not within the context of regret.
>>1167989 On the contrary, I've known about this since the first episode, I just don't think I actually put the 2 together until today...that, or I forgot, perhaps due to not knowing there was a place to post the weird happenstance.
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>>1167547 Actually I just realized that she does blush after Andrew kisses her to blow smoke in her mouth
Do you think she'll be contemplating about the regulation-by-proxy thing Andrew talked about?
>>1168208 The only regret in Renee's heart is not aborting
>>1168253 It was her first kiss after all
>>1167547 Who cares about Ashley? She's a one-note, sociopathic woman-child. As opposed to Andrew, there is no depth to her, since she's too dumb and lacking in impulse control to hide anything. We already got her "happy ending" ("_ in the box") where she gets everything she's ever wanted. Now we just get to see, as karmic retribution, just how bad she ends up on the other routes.
>>1168744 What a dumbass take, Ashley is probably the most complex character in the story, hence why she is the main protagonist
>>1168892 >Ashley >Complex No, she isn't. She's entertaining and fun to watch, hence why she's the protagonist. And it's entertaining to discover, step by step, just how much of a broken person she is. What you think is "complexity" is in reality "depths of depravity." It's a train on fire emerging out of the tunnel, and we're there to see just how long that train is. Andrew is complex. Renee has some nuance to her. Ashley is neither.
>>1168892 There's a lot of idiots who still don't get that you shouldn't take characters at face value. Ashley has a bunch to her character we have yet to get to. I also bet she'll be the most changed character at the end of some routes.
>>1151448 >It is mental illness >>1152044 >It's mental illness >>1152411 >That *is* the mental illness. >>1155188 >Incest A depiction of society? In my 8chan? Disgusting.
>>1168970 >Ashley >Change Good one, you actually made me chuckle at this one. She refuses to change, in any way, in Decay. In Burial it's Andrew who is changing to try and fit to her. She's completely one-note, and she's specifically written to be as such. Once again, what you mistake for "complexity" is discovering just how warped she is, and how many issues she has.
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>>1168892 Ashley is a simpleton.
>>1168892 I can't wait for Burial to shut the fuck up the anons who keep yapping about Ashley being "a simple character", just like Decay did for the anons who thought that Andrew was a "good" character under bad influences.
>>1169135 It will be great seeing the flashbacks from Ashley's perspective, specially their teenage days
>>1169135 Nobody ever claimed Andrew was a good person. He's a fucking cannibal serial killer. Decay just showed that he's much closer to Renee in personality than people initially thought. What people DID claim is that he's a much better person than Ashley. And he still is. And yes, Ashley is simple. Which isn't a bad thing. Not everyone has to be a puzzle box in fiction. It's her actions and reaction which are the entertaining part.
>>1153532 >everyone will be happier when we all go back Oh yeah, "for real for real no cap" as they say. I'm going to love going back to a /v/ filled with bait, ragebait and coomposting because 4chan's janitors are a bunch of incompetent pieces of shit.
>>1169156 There is no "going back." Once the site is up - which will take them weeks - one of two things will happen. 1. It will be immediately hacked again, since "weeks" isn't even remotely enough to build it up from scratch again, only patch the most obvious vulnerabilities. 2. It'll become a cesspool of shitposting, spamming, and bans. All the jannies have been doxed on Kiwi Farms, so they'll be shat on day and night. And nobody who doesn't have holes in their brains will volunteer to take their place.
>>1169152 >now he's trying to rewrite history to fit his narrative Yikes. I'll be ready to accept your apology in a year or 2, but until then I'm filtering these retarded takes.
>>1169183 Now you're coping. >Decay comes out. >Ashley is just as one-note a character as she's ever been. >"Burial will fix everything!" Two more weeks, huh?
>>1147084 >>1147174 >is afraid of losing Andy to anyone >always comparing herself to other girls >wears pigtails after Nina dies Ashley is envy. Or, with how violent she gets, wrath.
>>1168923 Just because she isn't very introspective doesn't mean there's nothing there, speedreader-kun
>>1169253 >doesn't mean there's nothing there You're using terms so broad they become meaningless, Cope-kun. She's entertaining and fun to watch. She isn't full of depth or complexity. And there's nothing wrong with that.
>>1169152 > He's a fucking cannibal serial killer But until Decay, he only killed out of survival, protecting his sister or revenge. Decay is the first moment in the story in which we see him cold-bloodly killing someone only for his own benefit. In fact, the way you can kill the child, without a moment of hesitation, is one way the game has to show you through gameplay how little he cares about other people. >What people DID claim is that he's a much better person than Ashley. And he still is. To argue who is better person than who would be pointless at the end, because that depends on each person's morality. What I would say though is that he's much more aware of the consequences of his actions than Ashley, and that gives him a sense of self-control and a necessity to appear "normal" to other people. He's a functional psychopath while Ashley is a destructive sociopath. And morality aside, what most people didn't saw coming is that it was him who felt sexual desire towards Ashley, which is a big twist to his character
>>1169274 >But until Decay, he only killed out of survival, protecting his sister or revenge. No? He murdered the apartment whore in cold blood. Nemiel even confirmed he would've killed her even if she didn't go for the nail gun first.
>>1169195 >No? He murdered the apartment whore in cold blood The scene from the vision room eliminates all ambiguity, it was done as a retaliation for her being a stupid bitch >Nemiel even confirmed he would've killed her even if she didn't go for the nail gun first I didn't know that, but if it isn't in the game I don't give it much importance. Even if it were truth, it would still count as a way protecting himself and his sister. The camping murders are clearly different. ffs he even reacts the same way, and nothing changes in his route, if you kill the kid or not. You can't tell me that was added only to give you a stupid achievement.
>>1169294 Fuck replying in 8chan is so fucking awkward >>1169384
>>1169384 >The scene from the vision room eliminates all ambiguity No? He literally says in Chapter 2, and I quote, "either way, we couldn't leave any witnesses." He would've murdered her no matter what. Dude, you're arguing semantics over something that's spelled out in the game itself, Nemiel's words notwithstanding.
>>1147084 >Andrew is lust speedreader Andrew is wrath.
>>1169384 You can watch the flashback of Andrew killing the whore lady in the vision room
>>1168923 >No, she isn't. Then how come people constantly misread the wet dream scene?
>>1169412 Maybe she should have just agreed to leave with them instead of making herself a problem if she didn't want to be a loose end to tie up.
>>1169412 Dude, you are not even reading my fucking post. I said that even if he were to kill her anyways, it would be so he could safely escape with his sister, so it would count as a way of protecting themselves. And you have conveniently ignored the part about how cold-bloodledly murdering a child changes nothing from Andrew's POV.
>>1169499 Andrew has psychopathic tendencies that surface when he's under pressure.
>>1169499 >it would be so he could safely escape with his sister Because a shut-in prostitute would've chased after them? He's trying to rationalise something he did out of cold blood, trying to assign meaning to it. He does it all the time.
>>1169412 >would've If he "would have", he necessarily didn't. His theoretical actions in absence of the lady going for the nail gun isn't evidence against the fact that he went for her because she lunged for the nail gun
>>1169152 If you think he's more than marginally better of a person than Ashley youre retarded and failed at reading comprehension. He's just as fucked in the head as Ashley, he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley. He's just a good bullshitter and tries to fake being normal. We still know almost practically nothing about Ashley. Almost none of the childhood flashbacks have been from her perspective which is where we got all of Andrew's indejewsharacterization from.
>>1169530 The whore could had snitched on them to the authorities
>>1169538 >indejewsharacterization How the fuck did that happen Indepth-characterization
>>1169533 >Says to himself he would've killed her either way. >This isn't proof he would've killed her either way! This is getting sad. >>1169538 >If you think he's more than marginally better of a person than Ashley He's a much better person than Ashley, but he's still a BAD PERSON. Nobody is claiming otherwise. It's just that Ashley is so cartoonishly evil no one holds a candle next to her, except maybe the surgeon. >He's just as fucked in the head as Ashley, he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley. Sure, but he doesn't become giddy he murdered someone as a little kid. >>1169549 >The whore could had snitched on them to the authorities She wouldn't need to. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to count the people who should be quarantined versus the ones present.
>>1169568 >>This isn't proof he would've killed her either way! Keep your wig on, you'll be okay! It's not proof that he killed her in cold blood. He killed her because she went for the nail gun
>>1169568 Do you think she would just stay in her apartment like a good girl after her way of life got cut off? Without the wardens she has to go back to taking care of herself and I doubt she would just ignore the entire locked up building
>>1169538 >he's a sociopath with almost zero empathy for anything other than himself or Ashley Wrong. He feels pity for Julia and Douglas. He becomes more psychopathic as the story progresses, though. Unlike Ashley, he isn't born with it. >He's just a good bullshitter and tries to fake being normal. He desperately wants to be normal, this is his core internal struggle. Keep up, kid. >Almost none of the childhood flashbacks have been from her perspective Can't wait to see how she started cooking and doing laundry. She's very domestic as an adult, and we've seen zero of that in flashbacks yet.
>>1169530 WELL I AGREE! He's a fucking psychopath, he's better than his sister in the sense that he's aware of the consequences of his actions and therefore tries to control them, he's worse in the sense that he's fully aware of the meaning of them and yet he does them anyways if they benefit him. Anyway, the extent of his psycopathy, and his incestous feelings for Ashley were things that most people who played episode two didn't saw coming, and we learned them because we played Decay as Andrew most of the time. And when Burial comes out and, I'll bet you the fucking my fucking jacket, we play as Ashley, we'll learn things about her that aren't crystal clear to us right now. Will she have the same depth as Andrew? I don't fucking know, but I can assure you she won't remain the mutt she is in Decay.
>>1169619 >He desperately wants to be normal, this is his core internal struggle. Watashi wa shoushimin...
>>1169629 >his incestous feelings for Ashley retard
>>1169619 >Can't wait to see how she started cooking and doing laundry. She's very domestic as an adult Maybe she was preparing to become Andrew's wife. Trying to become more femenine and useful so that she would be appealing to Andrew and make him come back to her
I like Ashley and think she's a complex character deserving respect.
>>1169697 filtered >>1169699 Ashley is a complex character who looks like a retard. Andrew is a retard who looks like a complex character.
>>1169412 >>1169699 >deserving respect Let's not get carried away now
>>1169709 ?????
>>1169727 wHat Do yOU wANt?
>>1169672 Holy fuck are you still in denial? How is that having wet dreams about your sister and spying on her as she showers do not count as incestuous feelings? How more obvious does the game have to be for you to understand?
>>1169738 retard Andrew wants to fuck her for multiple reasons. None of those are because she's his sister. In fact, her being his sister is the one reason he DOESN'T want to fuck her. He is explicitly anti-incestuous. He wants to fuck her despite her being his sister, not because of it. Incestfags are illiterate, I swear...
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>>1169699 Ashley is a complex character who deserves a beating and a dicking from her big bro.
>>1169735 Uhhhhh I want to be 20 cm taller I offer the above poster's soul
>>1169747 Andrew isn't into incest, but his feelings are incestuous regardless of it
>>1169711 The sonichu medalion isn't her fault.
>>1169747 >He wants to fuck her despite her being his sister, not because of it. Banging your sister is incest, anon
>>1169757 It's not incest if you don't cum inside
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>>1169747 You motherfucker brainless piece of shit, it does not matter for whatever the fuck reason he wants to fuck his sister, if he wants to fuck his sister THEN HE HAS INCESTUOUS FEELINGS FOR HER. Just because he doesn't fap to step-sister porn or he doesn't like to get called "onii-chan" as HE'S FUCKING HIS SISTER, doesn't mean he's not having an INCESTUOUS RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS SISTER
>>1169763 No homo.
>>1169763 It's still incest, just not inbreeding. >>1169757 >>1169753 >>1169778 His feelings happen to be incestuous by circumstance, he has zero incestuous attraction to her. In fact, he feels incestuous repulsion. Learn to read, cumbrained incestfag morons.
>>1169784 >His feelings happen to be incestuous Concession accepted
>>1169784 >His feelings happen to be incestuous by circumstance So they ARE incestuous as per your own words yet you STILL deny it. Were you dropped on the head as a child or something? This is some profound retardation.
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>>1169779 >>1169784 If you think about it, fucking your sibling doesn't even count as sex, it's more like masturbation. It isn't that big of a deal really
>>1169784 You are a complete retard who has no idea what incest means and thinks it's just a fetish to search for in porn websites. It's a waste of time to keep arguing with someone as dumb as you.
>>1169784 This is "how is it incest? They're family" tier. Andrew doesn't want to fuck his sister, he wants to fuck Ashley, but that doesn't make Ashley not his sister. He desires to invest her, therefore he has incestuous desires.
>>1169797 That's not the point, but if all you care about is the external reading, fine. >>1169798 That's not the point. Like I said, learn to read.
>>1169819 >>1169826 >the point <your head It's okay, not everyone is literate. Keep missing the forest for the trees.
>>1169808 It really isn't, if you think about it enough.
>>1169784 technically you are correct, but as fucking your sis is the definition of incest you are incorrect. However you can make a mental argument for example in the case someone commits incest but does not do it for incestous feelings but for lust
>>1169826 I guess I should be more charitable since you're at least understanding part of it. >Andrew doesn't want to fuck his sister, he wants to fuck Ashley Exactly. >He desires incest with her, therefore he has incestuous desires By circumstance, yes. The point is that this isn't the origin of his sexual desire for his sister. In fact, her being his sister is explicitly unattractive to him. >>1169878 Exactly. And all anyone ever focuses on is the incest, when that's damn-near beside the point. It'd be the same if Ashley was adopted, though obviously nowhere near as kino since then it'd barely be "forbidden love/lust" and a copout.
>>1169835 Your tiny brain has somehow come to the conclusion that if someone is concerned about the fact that THE WOMAN HE WANTS TO FUCK is his sister, then he's not having INCESTUOUS FEELINGS ABOUT HIS SISTER. How can someone have come to such a retarded conclusion is a mystery to me, I blame it on lack of education and therefore misunderstanding of the meaning of words.
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I just want an ending where Ashley's unrelenting selfish cuntiness finally pushes Andrew away and out of her life. She finally realizes how bad she fucked up and lives in longing and regret forever, crying herself to sleep every night.
>>1169937 Shut up Julia, go cut your wrist or something
>>1169892 >The point is that this isn't the origin of his sexual desire for his sister. In fact, her being his sister is explicitly unattractive to him. This is true but irrelevant. Ashley is his sister, so his sexual attraction to her is incestuous by definition regardless of their specific nature. >>1169937 That's just Splat except Ashley doesn't jump with him
>>1169895 >he still thinks I don't understand what incest is Boy oh boy, reading comprehension really has gone downhill, hasn't it. Let me spell it out for you again: <incest is repulsive to Andrew This is one reason he's an interesting character, otherwise he'd just be your average eroge protag. Are his feelings "incestuous" because they target his biological sister? Yes. Are his feelings "incestuous" because he explicitly wants to fuck his sister because she's his sister. No. It's the enmeshment, entangling of impulses, and co-dependency. By focusing on the incest part, you devalue the actually interesting bits of his attraction to her. >>1169937 Pretty sure it's bound to happen in Decay as a mirror of andy in the toy box ending. The other thing I'm looking forward to is the mirror of the cleaver scene where he holds the gun to her head and asks if she's Ashley or Leyley once and for all.
>>1169858 What a strange thing to say, I meant that it really is, if you think about it.enough.
>>1169972 >This is true but irrelevant. It's the only reason his attraction to her is even remotely interesting as a plot beat and worth talking about.
>>1169937 You are outing yourself as fundamentally missing the point of Chapter 3: Andrew is too a piece of shit who deserves his equally shitty womanchild sister. This stupid take of him being just a poor boy corrupted and abused by bitchy sister is absurd.
>>1169983 >This stupid take of him being just a poor boy corrupted and abused by bitchy sister is absurd. Nowhere did anon say that. Just that he wants an ending where Ashley gets the opposite of what she wants. We already had that with the Andy ending, for example. Do you think that ending implies Ashley was always right and a good girl just be being an option?
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How does one acquire this dynamic?
>>1169994 No, and you are right: I am tired and his wording made my assume that he was yet another braindead Andrew defender who still thinks this is a jap VN. There's nothing implying such a thing in his post, however, so it's my mistake.
>>1169982 You're a fucking retard, incest stories always have that beat, the people involved are not into a fetish, but simply have feelings for a person that happens to be their sister/brother
>>1169982 Again I agree, but that's not how words work. He has erotic love for his sister, Ashley. He wants to be her brotherhusband and for her to be his sisterwife. He therefore wants to commit incest. He doesn't like the idea of it being incest but that's what it is.
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>>1169937 >Are his feelings "incestuous" because he explicitly wants to fuck his sister because she's his sister. No. You dumb fuck, where the fuck have I implied that was the case? Just because "incest" for you has a different connotation than for the rest of the world, doesn't mean I have to abide by it. If he wants to fuck his sister, it's incest. If he's repulsed by that fact, it's kino incest. Andrew is the second case. It's not that complicated. But the term "incestuous feelings", by dictionary, still applies to what he feels toward his sister
>>1170002 Women who are actually into femdom, for themselves, and not just because you ask them for it? 1. They're extremely rare. 2. They are very often heavily into fag-hagging, as well, so chances as she will try to push you into getting fucked by a dude somewhere down the line.
Incest is best when the characters are deeply troubled and conflicted over the idea of an incestuous relationship but go through with it anyway.
>>1170132 I only see the opossite in porn
>>1170015 There isn't enough discussion about the implicit threat of rape in this scene, or how agressive Drew becomes for a second. You sort of see his Shots & Such character here, just a glimpse.
>>1169937 >>1169972 Its different because it leads into the secret good ending where Andrew comes back after Ashley matures on her own and they live happily ever after
>>1170153 > in porn Gee I wonder why.
>>1170021 >He wants to be her brotherhusband and for her to be his sisterwife. Well, this part is obviously not true, but I agree that it's incest bY DeFiNitiiON. I'm just saying it's not the point. >>1170003 Upvoted >>1170037 You're just hanging on to this conversation because you can't let go of the fact your first post about it was boring as hell. >>1170132 >>1170016 Every other example I know of is just positive on both partners or one child teaching it to another with no pushback. Admittedly, I'm not an incest connoisseur, neither do I dabble in many VNs or eroge anyway, so maybe I've missed some kino.
>>1170184 >Upvoted Oh fuck you
>>1170198 Don't let it get to you, anon. I was just teasing.
>>1170155 Maybe that's a possible outcome, LU gets rid of ALL of Andrew's inhibitions and gets what he wants ignoring Ashley's wishes
>>1170171 I think the "happy ever after" we are getting in this game will still be "happy" for the siblings but horrible for everyone else. I wouldn't put past Nemlei to wrap up the story with them becoming serial killers or something similar.
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>>1170132 I agree, that's why I dislike Oreimo, it's hentai-tier incest, there are barely any thoughts about the consequences and problems of an incestuous relationship. The thing that makes incest so hot is that despite of all the issues and complications that it would bring, the siblings love, or at least desire, each other so much as to disregard them. Kirion is hot af though.
>>1170241 It's the only pure Romeo & Juliet story that can be written these days. There really isn't any other "love" that's forbidden that isn't also obviously not romantic. >>1170235 Could be a neat Burial equivalent to S&S, but it doesn't strike me as a good conclusion to this story.
>>1170241 Also because BEST GIRL LOSES FUCK YOU I'M STILL MAD
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>>1170261 based
>>1170226 That would be quite the twist, specially if Andrew assumes LU is merely taking away his forbidden desire, only to then find out that quite the contrary, the only thing absent now are his moral guardrails. Full psycho Andrew isn't something we have seen yet, at least.
>>1170184 >Well, this part is obviously not true Andrew would rather tear his own tongue out than put it that way but it basically is what he wants. He straight up tells her he wants them to live a quiet, peaceful life together somewhere, and obviously he wants her romantically even if he doesn't fully trust her or consider that aspect of his feelings for her to be valid. What else can you call that?
>>1170235 are they not already serial killers? and seem to continue doing so by aiding demons. Theres an ending where Andy simps and Ashley keeps the demon fed while they live in the realm with him as her doll
>>1170261 >>1170269 I has been 13 years, get over it.
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>>1170184 >You're just hanging on to this conversation because you can't let go of the fact your first post about it was boring as hell. Holy fuck I have no idea what are you raving about. Well, I guess anything is preferable than admitting that you're a dum-dum who doesn't know the meaning of words.
>>1170270 >Full psycho Andrew isn't something we have seen yet, at least. In Decay he is perfectly willing to murder absolutely innocent people, for no reason and with no excuse. What else could he do without his "inhibitions?" People really are too hung up on this idea. In Decay he has already hit rock bottom, and from there two paths emerge: >he completely gives up, >he is offered a way out by LU, We see how the first turns out. "Shots and Such" are Andrew at his lowest as a person with agency. "_in the box" is his lowest as a person with no agency. So the second route will be something drastically different.
>>1170241 But it has that >>1170261 Nekofags STILL seething
>>1170235 That's literally what happens in "_ in the box" and "Shots and Such."
>>1170289 >He straight up tells her he wants them to live a quiet, peaceful life together somewhere In the context of them living together at all. Let's not forget that he also considers multiple possible options for leaving her, and feels okay with that because the demon will take care of her, whatever that means. I'm also pretty sure he hasn't given the "quietly ever after" part any actual thought since he repeatedly says he hasn't had a clue of what to do since they left their apartment. You could argue that him wanting to separate in Decay is due to the openly antagonistic nature of that route, but he's wanted to be apart at least as early as high school, possibly earlier. It just becomes less and less possible because the outside world pushes them together and pushes Ashley away from every chance to grow up and live her own life.
>>1170317 "_in the box" is hell for Andrew, and "Shots and Such" depicts a miserable end for both. Hell, the only ending that shows both of them being somewhat happy is Splat, and that's just before they hit the ground and become a gory mush. We have yet to see and ending in which they're both alive and, to some extent at least, happy.
>>1170350 We have, and it's called "Renee and Douglas." Which is why it won't happen to Ashley and Andrew, unless Nemiel will make some retarded "cycle of misery repeating itself" statement with that particular ending.
>>1170321 >feels okay with that because the demon will take care of her He doesn't feel okay with that, he's literally seething with jealousy
>>1170270 >>1170226 If I remember correctly, his deal was vague enough that LU could do exactly that. He wants him to turn into a tar soul too so getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that.
>>1170369 I think it's very likely that there'll be at least one ending which will showcase a parallelism between Andrew & Ashley and Reene & Douglas
>>1170300 >the meaning of words Still on about that? Keep up, please. >>1170302 It's pretty clear that Something Kind won't be "helping" Andrew in any obviously positive ways, at least. >>1170350 There is no happy ending where our maladapted, enmeshed, co-dependent, trauma-bonded heroes are together and lead a "normal" life. The only possible satisfying conclusion that resolves issues must include some sort of sacrifice, acceptance, or separation. My thinking is, since Ashley is repeatedly talked about as fitting better in the demon realm, she'll ascend to big black orb and keep living there. Andrew lives like a normie, like he's always wanted, but Ashley continues to visit him in his dreams to keep the nightmares away, so they're in some way still in touch but not ruining each other's lives anymore. Something to that effect at least, these are pieces on the board and dynamics that are established already.
>>1170369 As far as im aware Coca Cola has always made unambiguously happy endings for her other VNs so im pretty sure this one will have one too. The question is just whether or not it will contain incest kino
I'm glad that no matter what, we can all agree that Ashley does not deserve a happy ending in any way, shape or form.
>>1170412 the happy ending is they accept eachother and bang >>1170424 booo *throws tomatoes*
>>1170396 >getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that ehhhhhh Would it? Gotta remember that soul color is self-perception. Doing horrible things doesn't darken your soul if you feel justified in doing them.
>>1170432 >the happy ending is they accept eachother and bang We already got that, though? I'm confused why incestfags continue to clamor for an ending they already got.
>>1170424 Fuck off Nina, you're supposed to be in Floozie hell
>>1170396 > He wants him to turn into a tar soul too so getting rid of his moral inhibitions seems like something that would accelerate that. Once again, what would "getting rid of his inhibitions" even do? >He'll murder innocent people. Already doing that. >Become an abusive bastard. Ditto. >Have sex with Ashley. Ditto. As I said, he's already morally at rock bottom. There's nowhere else to go. >>1170412 >>1170416 >>1170403 My current take on the second Decay route is something other anons already suggested - that LU will offer Andrew an opportunity to go back in time, to before he killed Nina, and have a redo at life. The price will be either Ashley's soul; or that he will put her in the box to suffocate instead of Nina or, if this will be the "unironic good ending," that LU will remove any trace of Ashley's love towards Andrew while keeping his. A self-sacrifice, in essence.
>>1170440 Shut up already faggot, you know exactly what he means
>>1170433 Andrew wouldnt suddenly think anything he does is right or morally justifiable because he loses his moral inhibitions. He's just do them anyway because he's selfish and doesnt care, just like Ashley.
>>1170412 >Still on about that? Keep up, please. Yes, the meaning of words are important for engaging in any sort of communication >There is no happy ending where our maladapted, enmeshed, co-dependent, trauma-bonded heroes are together and lead a "normal" life. The only possible satisfying conclusion that resolves issues must include some sort of sacrifice, acceptance, or separation. I agree, but there will be many conclusions, and not all of them need to be "satisfying" to be good. Neither S&S nor Splat are "satisfying", but holy fuck they're good.
>>1170453 Yeah but he's still not a tar soul when he does any of that because he still regrets it or feels remorseful for it at heart. Pretty sure he only turns into a tar soul in the route he kills Ashley. Once he stops caring about morals at ALL, he'll be essentially the same as Ashley and hatch into a tar soul. Thus the incentive for LU to do it.
Can anon friends stop arguing over petty bullshit so we can talk about sibling romance some more
>>1170494 Only S&S is considered by Nemiel to be a "true ending" per her chart, rather than a dead-end. We still have three to go. >>1170499 Doesn't make sense to make a full ending out of it. It'll probably be one of the dead ends. It changes too little. >Andrew loses inhibitions. >Becomes Ashley 2.0 >Kills her. OK. So what? That[s good material for a 3 minute epilogue. It adds nothing interesting.
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I just hope we get to see more drunken Andrew in other routes and it isn't something restricted to S&S. Better yet, we could see some drunken Ashley, imagine how wild that'd be
>>1170530 >We still have three to go. huh, it's my assumption that we'd get 3 "true endings" for Decay and another 3 for Burial. So that'd mean that Decay part two will branch at some point, giving us two endings, given that S&S is already a "true ending"
>>1170432 >>1170453 >go back in time, to before he killed Nina, and have a redo at life That would be horrible, though I'm sure Nem isn't dumb enough to resort to such hackish writing. >>1170494 Sure, but a true happy ending like that also wouldn't be entertaining, though it would be entertaining as a joke at the expense of people who want one. Nem is not above doing something like that. >>1170499 >>1170530 He turns into a Tar-to-Be like Renee for one or more of the following reasons: >is suicidal >is homicidal and recognizes it's not justfied >allows himself to hate someone close to him while hating that he hates them and thus hating himself for it >>1170592
>>1170607 >He turns into a Tar-to-Be like Renee for one or more of the following reasons: >>is suicidal >is homicidal and recognizes it's not justfied >allows himself to hate someone close to him while hating that he hates them and thus hating himself for it to go. OK, once again... so what? What would that add to the story?
>>1170530 I imagine that Andrew becoming just as debased as Ashley would make them get along better than ever. You're also assuming it has to end there or even go that route. Plenty of paths that story beat could lead to, maybe Ashley prefers Andrew as he was so she tries to turn him back, maybe Andrew does become even worse than Ashley and the story turns to her trying to escape from him instead.
>>1170618 >I imagine that Andrew becoming just as debased as Ashley would make them get along better than ever. That's Burial.
>>1170547 She seems oddly anti substance Doesn't like Andrew smoking, not big on drinking Eating people though...
>>1170626 Is it though? We dont know how Burial is going to go, Decay was way different from what people imagined it to be too.
>>1170618 >maybe Andrew does become even worse than Ashley and the story turns to her trying to escape from him instead. I'm 73% sure that'll be one of the routes of Burial.
>>1170592 My actual reply got clipped. >So that'd mean that Decay part two will branch at some point The Coffin of Andy and Leyley: Ep4 Decay 2-Part 2 of the Decay Episode of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley Decay Part 2 will surely have more than a single end-state. >>1170618 Doing bad things does not a tar soul make. >>1170627 She doesn't like to see him hurting himself or wasting their finances. Again, she's become very domestic as an adult, looking forward to learning how in Burial. >>1170617 Not much outside of a dead end unless Ashley's reaction to it carries the plot forward. I'm not saying this is a conclusion. I'm simply looking at the two Tar-to-Be souls and trying to find similarities between Renee and Andrew after he tries to kill Ashley. Presumably, there's some consistency to how souls get colored the way the are. Andrew's souls changes after that moment to the same "type" as Renee's soul, so what do we know about Renee that is the same as Andrew but only after he tries to kill Ashley.
>>1170642 Decay was what I expected it to be. Obviously, if the siblings antagonize each other, there's going to be conflict between them. And we know how they both (don't) deal with conflict. >>1170643 This is literally what's in Decay already.
>>1170607 >That would be horrible, though I'm sure Nem isn't dumb enough to resort to such hackish writing. There already is time travel present, via the visions. If the demons can move consciousnesses into the future, they obviously also can into the past.
>>1170643 >>1170724 >There already is time travel present, via the visions. Whoah, I just traveled to Italy by looking at Google Maps Street View!
>>1170724 Anon, memories are memories
>>1170694 Ashley in Decay goes out of her way to stay with Andrew no matter what, she literally commits suicide with him because she'd rather be dead than not with him. She even begs him to stay despite the fact that she's absolutely terrified he's going to kill her. Burial Ashley would become disillusioned with Andrew for whatever reason and try to actually separate herself from him.
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>>1170724 >There already is time travel present, via the visions
>>1170732 Anon the visions are literal visions of the future, it implies that the demons have at least some control over time itself. Time travel isnt a very big leap to make.
>>1170745 >Ashley living alone. Andrew doesn't have to do anything, then. The retard will be dead within a week. Also, Ashley is literally incapable of functioning without Andrew, which is why she clings onto him. She has no other options, plain and simple. >>1170744 >>1170761 I meant the visions of the future. It's just moving your consciousness forwards in time.
>>1170745 >Burial Ashley would become disillusioned with Andrew for whatever reason and try to actually separate herself from him. I think mirroring and inversion are kino, but I don't personally think it would be very interesting for Andrew to try to stick to or kill Ashley so hard she has to run from him. At that point, everything interesting about their dynamic is out the window and it's just a chase thriller that's not particularly compelling. There's nothing interesting about this game other than interactions between the main characters. >>1170764 >>1170767 Whoah! I watched a YouTube video of 9/11! I was able to stop the terrorists while I was watching it!
>>1170775 >Whoah! I watched 9/11 happening two months before the event! My TV is awesome!
>>1170775 Filter'd ;^)
>>1170694 >This is literally what's in Decay already. It may seem similar, but in nature it's quite different. In decay, Ashley runs from Andrew after she makes him seethe and loose his mind, and that's the nature of their conflict; he's had enough of her bullshit, and we see most of this through Andrew's POV. What I think will happen in Burial is the "Ashleyzation" of Andrew, meaning he'll lose all boundaries, and without necessarily being hostile to her as he is in Decay, he'll still creep her out since he'll become completely unhinged and unpredictable. And of course this will be seen through Ashley's POV
>visions of the future <control over time itself lmao Though, I could see a retard like Ashley thinking like this, actually.
>>1170764 Clairvoyance is NOT time travel and has nothing to do with it
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>>1170791 >Andrew if I eat just 13 more people I'll be able to time travel! Why are you stopping me!?
>>1170789 I'm not saying it won't happen, but there is zero indication of it. Nor are there any structural reasons for the narrative to go there. It would also throw out the only interesting thing about the story since Ashley isn't complex enough to carry the plot on her own. Burial could remedy that, but it may end up feeling shoehorned as a result, if it's only in service to setting up what you described. Your jenga tower is too unstable and requires too many changes to established dynamics, I deem it unreasonable.
>>1170799 Its time travel adjacent. Again, not a very big leap in logic to think that the demons may have a way to make time travel possible to some extent. Could be as simple as sending a single THOUGHT back in time to sway a decision made in the past.
>They can suck souls out. >They can show you the future. >They can conjure physical objects out of thin air. >They have telepathy. >They have telekinesis. >They can read thoughts. >They can teleport physical objects and people. >But time travelling in any way, shape or form is too far!
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>>1170807 she should eat 13 more people so she stops having small ass and thin legs
>>1169973 You say Andrew doesn't want to fuck Ashley because she is his sister, but the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they are siblings. If they were not related Ashley would also be like all the other people he knows and not be able to understand him. Least of all because Andrew wouldn't let anyone else get so close to him even in the absence of Ashley. His emotions for Ashley developed and can only develop in the circumstance when they are both as intimately connected as they are from birth. Since incestuous circumstances are the only ones where he can develop genuine feelings, he must be incestuous as a default and his denials of interest in incest are simply another one of his copes.
>>1170835 We have absolutely no idea how Andrew would have ended up without Ashley around, so the speculation is moot. She's been chained onto him since early childhood, so is inextricably linked to his development. What can be said for certain is that none of her influence was positive.
>>1170818 >>1170819 Ah yes, the story where the consequences of your actions are a key theme will throw the baby out with the bathwater because "visions" are similar enough to "travel" that it could happen. >>1170835 Nah. There's nothing about them being actual siblings that changes their dynamic. It'd be the same if the only thing we changed was them sharing the same parents. The reason Ashley sees through him is because she's screwed up mentally and doesn't do the reasoning necessary to buy into his masking like everyone else does, she's perceptive like an animal. Andrew's bullshit only works on people. TL;DR (let me ftfy[fuck that, fuck you] so it's clearer) >the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they are siblings <the only reason Andrew could fall in love with Ashley is because they've only ever been around each other since childhood and had no one else to confide in
>>1170891 There's nothing wrong with an ending involving time travel in a story that has multiple different endings, especially if its well written. Simple as.
>>1170908 Didn't say that. However, the ability to delete the consequence of actions that created many of the problems the story centers around is bad writing, which is my point.
>>1170813 >but there is zero indication of it There are some indications for it, replay the ending of the Burial route in episode two if you don't believe me. You may tell me they are small indications, and that may be true, but then I'd tell you that there were even smaller indications that Decay would be so incest heavy, and yet here we are. At the end, we're all only speculating and we can't predict what Nemlei will do >your jenga tower is too unstable and requires too many changes to established dynamics You see, I think the only variance in the endings will be just that: changes to established dynamics. I don't think there will any time travels or any plot bending shenanigans, in fact I'll assume most "proper" routes will end with them together, but with different character dynamics.
>>1170924 Which is why I think the price for that will be something significant - either Andrew will have to kill Ashley instead of Nina as a sacrifice, or LU will remove HER feelings towards him, whilst leaving his intact.
>>1170951 I also wish at least one of the sub-routes/endings have someone from the other side of the cosmic scale make an appearance - an angel, saint, or some other messenger from God. Especially since LU is obviously Lucifer.
>>1170951 Andrew doesn't care nearly enough for Nina for this to be a plot point at all
>>1170927 Sure, but an inversion of their dynamics doesn't strike me as having enough value for the plot to go there. It'd be wasted screentime, imo. >even smaller indications that Decay would be so incest heavy Since before Episode 2 came out, I've been telling everyone that Andrew must have been peeping and perving on Ashley if they grew up in that tiny room. Ain't no way some wires don't get crossed if you're going through puberty in that little cage with a woman who's doing the same. >>1170951 It not being free doesn't make it well-written. >LU will remove HER feelings towards him, whilst leaving his intact This could work, however. It'd be interesting to see how Andrew copes in a world where she finds his need for psychological comfort creepy, clingy, and obsessive. At least in a world where he isn't sour on her like in Decay.
>>1170982 I don't mean he'll do it for Nina's sake, but that Ashley's death will be the price for LU rewinding time.
>>1170891 Andrew has some sort of ASPD, he has never managed to connect to anyone in his life other than Ashley, no matter how good someone is to him he never cares. If they met in the circumstance where they were not related Andrew would have avoided Ashley like most people in Ashley's life. The only reason Andrew was develop genuine love for Ashley was because he was basically forced to raise her from childhood, this let Ashley understand Andrew and allowed Andrew to come to love and appreciate at least parts of Ashley. Without their childhood the two wouldn't have even become friends as Andrew would still have been the popular kid while Ashley would be the weirdo everyone bullied or avoided.
>>1170978 >I also wish at least one of the sub-routes/endings have someone from the other side of the cosmic scale make an appearance - an angel, saint, or some other messenger from God. Just when I started thinking you're not a complete idiot, you go and say something like this... Do you not realize that the demon stuff is the least interesting part of the story? Followed closely by the organ harvesting stuff.
>>1171003 >The only reason Andrew was develop genuine love for Ashley was because he was basically forced to raise her from childhood, this let Ashley understand Andrew and allowed Andrew to come to love and appreciate at least parts of Ashley. 100% agree, though none of that requires that she be his biological sister, it just makes it much easier to set up without explaining and more kino
>>1171004 The "demon stuff" is the pillar of the story.
>>1171068 No that would be...the protagonists and their relationship Demon stuff is just a vessel to develop the story with, introduce conflicts etc
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>>1171068 The pillar of the story is Andrew and Ashley's relationship. Everything else is just there to provide context or a justification for it's development.
>>1171068 Please tell me you're a girl, that'd be cute as fuck.
>>1171111 Decay really ran the gamut on that pic
>>1171148 It was kinda dumb from the start since we know Andrew is the one who wanted to share a bed, but whatever, still funny.
>>1171148 It amuses me that S&S is, kind of, a combination of fig 1 and fig 9.
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>>1171175 It's just a fun edit of this so it's not trying to be 100% character accurate


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