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Warframe & Pandering Anonymous 03/25/2025 (Tue) 22:47:49 Id: e93472 No. 1082692
I just need a way to vent about this frustration. Warframe's 1999 update takes you back to the year 1999 in a timeline where Albrecht Entrati introduced warframes early by injecting the Helminth strains into people at this time. Main group is The Hex. Now we get to the most recent addition to this update. Adding more of these protoframes. And the issue with one in particular. The warframe Temple & his protoframe, Flare. DE decided they should both be officially "nonbinary". Why? Hell if I know. There's no lore reason & Flare is even referred to as they before he became infected. What further muddies this is his strain created a sentient guitar called Lizzie that is literally part of the Helminth. She refers to herself in plural form because the Helminth is part of the Infested hivemind. So you'd assume Flare is like this because he's part of the hivemind now but as I said already that can't be the case. If you're going to do this kind of thing then at least implement it in the story to have some amount of excuse. Not just shoving it in like Dragon Age Veilguard did recently. Look how it turned out for them. And just as a bonus annoyance, you still get banned if you refer to Nezha as a trap.
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Isn't Warframe's whole thing doing weird pandering? Fuck Nezha, they have a literal voreframe, OP.
>>1082697 Grendel is not there for fetish purposes. Voruna the not Berserk reference werewolf is though.
>>1082692 that's what you get for still playing warframe retard
>>1082692 >playing warframe wow what a gay
I wish it didn't have so much grind, and didn't have any humans. Then I might play it
>>1082751 The grind can be mitigated if you have someone carrying you but that requires socializing with a clan if you don't already have a friend who plays.
>>1082753 Extremely old video.
>>1082697 >Fuck Nezha
>>1082892 Acchino?
People still play Warframe in the year of our lord 2025? Man I quit that game ages ago, got sick of the grind around the time of Baruuk and Hildryn, plus the railjack incident. As fun as the game was, no amount of fun is worth putting up with those bullshit grinds and lazy-ass devs, what a waste of great gameplay. Atlas was my favorite when I did play, dude was built like a brick shithouse and played like one.
>>1082990 The grind for prime parts is still a pain but it'll let you get something you can always sell later. Railjack is still kind of a hectic mess. You need a team & randoms are a huge gamble. The devs are still bad at addressing bugs though. Atlas got a massive buff with the recent update that made exalted weapon abilities moddable. Still a heavy investment frame that needs a lot of forma plus archon shards. One of the least played frames even today though.
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>>1082692 >playing warframe past 2018
>>1083007 That would be too far before the best story updates.
What's this about warframe putting in some plot about a hostile boyband managed by the warframe universe version of Digital extremes? I remember warframe being darker when it first started out. I was hoping for something like the dark sector concept trailer they put out, and a more space tenchu/splinter cell vibe with a little Mgr space ninjas.
>>1082692 >>1083007 >>1082720 Used to play alot back in 2013-2016. The first thing that went wrong was the archwing update. It was a janky "content isle" that felt unrewarding, but was mandatory if you wanted some item needed for crafting that only dropped in that gamemode, even if you could care less about playing low level archwing missions to upgrade your archwing to be able to play high level archwing missions to farm said item. This was a sign of things to come. I remember how the Clan PVP Solar Rails came and went, and how a certain clan from /v/ kept winning, causing butthurt all the way up to the devs. I had mixed feelings about the parkour update, it made the movement more flashy, but also made everything floaty and effortless. Anyone could do bullet jumps now to reach wherever. Those treasure rooms high up in the ceiling in the orokin void tileset in the tall room with the lasers? no effort needed anymore. Those hidden challenge courses with the timed doors that shut you out permanently if you're too slow, and some rare mods at the end if you're fast enough? trivialized. The old trick for quick movement before the parkour update was "coptering", it could fling you across the map at stupid high speeds, but it was a bug, and only those who mastered the bug could make use of it to rush through levels, not unlike bunnyhopping in other games it required atleast a little bit of mastery to use. As time went on and the grind got worse, people became less interested in playing the game and enjoying the gameplay, and more interested in speedrunning through every mission that wasn't defense, survival or excavation, and seeing which items the RNG grants them at the mission end screen. When coptering was removed in the parkour update, it was replaced with bullet jumping and all players old and new were now encouraged to CTRL+Space through the map as quick as possible as the meta started to shift to using AOE damage frames to just sap the life out of everything while you kept running. Volt and Saryn were designed for this from the start more or less, but once the Warframe specific Augment mods were released, it allowed further increase in AOE damage. When Mesa was released, she became my favorite frame, if only because I could go into T4 Defense in Orokin Void, press 4 for Peacemaker and hold down left click to win, given the right team composition that facilitated energy management and shielding (Frost, Mag, Vauban/Rhino, Mesa if I remember right). It looked flashy and was effective, same as the old "Blade Storm" ability of Ash. What did they do to both of these due to complaints that they were too good? They were nerfed. Mesa could now only shoot in front of them in an aiming circle that got smaller as you continued firing, meaning as long as you kept dragging your mouse to spin your camera it would perform more or less like before, but now without the cool gun kata animations for firing in different directions at once. Ash players now had to fling their mouse around to aim and tag every enemy individually that they wanted to target with Bladestorm. For both these abilities, if you were willing to flail your camera around enough, you would still perform pretty much as well as before, but this was never how the abilities were envisioned to be used initially, and the nerfs came years down the line after the frames were first released. Around the time of the "Second Dream" update in 2016 I stopped playing because there wasn't much to do besides wait for new content. In 2022 I logged back in for the first time after 6 years and went through most of the story content released during those years. More content isles; Neuramechs, spaceships with crews in space, that whole infested hubworld with the "quirky" characters. Some negress on the radio in your Liset that you can't turn off. Retconning the Warframes into puppets operated by the fugly looking goblin children happened back before I stopped playing in 2016, but now you had an adult counterspart to the space kid called a "drifter" and you were incentivized to invest into the Operator's worthless skill tree by pressing a button to hop out of your warframe mid mission to have an out of body experience for some reason. The writing in Angels of Zariman was ass, and the voice acting was pretty similar to forspoken in hindsight. I doubt it's gotten better since. After they retired the old T1-T4 Orokin Void key system for getting prime parts, they started "Vaulting" legacy prime weapons and frames, putting drops for old prime parts on a timed rotation like characters in a gacha game, only you don't even know what you're supposed to be grinding for where, as the community has to slap together spreadsheets with droprates. Miss that window when Frost Prime came out of the vault for a while? Better cough up the dosh for some platinum, goy. And you have to buy those prime parts currently not grindable from another player who happens to have them, through the player to player market system where the trade has to take place in a clan dojo where both players have to be present, where they may or may not try to scam you somehow, necessitating the use of an external trading website to set up trades and manage reputation if you're doing a lot of trades, and with a daily limit on how many trades you can do, and with each trade burning away your non premium currency, which you then have to farm back in an arduous team vs team pve gamemode (the one with that corpus space jew Nef Anyo) with randoms while betting on the outcome of said game with the same credits in order to have any to be able to trade or craft anything. If you run out of credits to gamble on that gamemode, then back to running regular missions for credits you go, even if you've seen the tilesets thousands of times. Since putting in around 100 hours more playtime in the span of a few months in late 2022 after my hiatus, I had once again reached the point where I had caught up with all interesting content in the game at the time. My choices were now to either engage in mindless grinding for the sake of grinding, or play through the whole game again in the "Steel Path" hard mode. I combined both and started grinding my Mesa Prime to gear up for enemies with even bigger healthbars in Steel path. Grinding mods and whatnot for steel path was a monotonous effort, so I started to talk about the state of the game in the ingame chat during missions, everything between the shitty boss fights that weren't fun back in 2014 and weren't improved since, the tedious economy, so on and on. Sometimes people agreed that there were issues, but mostly they were probably afraid to engage in any negative discussion at all if it had potential repercussions. With time that spilled over to the region chat and culminated in me more or less saying "You will never be a woman" to some tranny who turned out to be a chat moderator, for that I got chat banned for a few weeks. Once that chat ban expired, I couldn't help but reengage with the region chat, but ended up saying something so terrible that it mandated a permanent ban, and rightfully so. The second last pic should speak for itself. Once I got permabanned, I looked into the state of the moderation, and it seems you can get banned permanently for the most innocuous of things outside of agitating someone special with the chat function, like playing a survival mission for too long and ending up being suspected of "cheating" because of it, or naming your space dog Xi Jinping. The only way you'll get unbanned is if you have a large enough following on social media and you make noise about your ban there. Note the appearance of the talking heads representing the game in dev streams and events in last pic. So ended my space ninja career, but the game was hardly about space ninjas by the end. Nig g er
>>1083142 Not entirely accurate. So in this 1999 setting there's a boyband called On-lyne but the infested outbreak in 1999 is called the Techrot. Same thing but more technological with making bio cyborgs essentially. While a fictional version of DE is part of the lore but they don't own On-lyne. We just know their manager, Gregory V, made a deal to have them replaced by techrot copies. Implying that the final New Years concert in lore before the loop resets would infect the last surviving people with the techrot. So the latest update introduced a new lich system where you can fight the techrot copies who think they are the original boyband members. >>1083194 I can tell you archwing is still lame but only rarely necessary. The most use for it is to quickly navigate the open world map tilesets.
>>1083194 >negress that you can't turn off That was my I quit moment. Not only does she never shut the FUCK UP, but she also never says anything worth hearing. Rise up and fight the power yo. Annoying cunt. Even the dumb robot wasn't as grating as that nigger.
>>1083007 What year was the space kids reveal? I lost any interest in Warframe after that.
>>1083546 You can turn off all radio chatter. Nora will only make noise when you complete a weekly Nightwave challenge. >>1083623 2015. The biggest problem with Operators still is that they're ugly & their textures are extremely low quality. They need new quality of life updates already.
>>1082692 his last kim reveals that flare was the original strain which is why both him and temple are nonbinary
>>1090268 That doesn't work as an excuse. They explains Temple but Flare is only ever referred to as "they/them" in KIM chats with Lizzie plus Aoi refers to him as "they". So the nonbinary faggotry is obvious. They just don't give any reason for it. At most is an implication about "muh societal rules" but that's in a single chat & never expounded upon. You can call Aoi a boring manic pixie, tell Lettie to stop being a bitch to you, make fun of Arthur's broodiness, etc. but you don't even get a choice regarding Flare's pronouns.
>>1082697 Pregnantframe
>>1091744 That one was based for humanizing Stalker but it's still weird the Jade that you build, which is not the same Jade Stalker impregnated prior, still has the pregnant belly.
>>1082692 I mean you are right that the pronouns shit is retarded. But the issue is more with those retarded faggot players that witch hunt people that don’t use them. Flare was handed pretty well otherwise. His chats expose on the incestation, Lizzie is pretty cute and the vast majority of his issues is having an eldritch guitar he can’t get rid of after his band was killed off. I’d have completely ignored anything related to him if they shoved it down my throat. Perhaps I don’t have issues with it because I haven’t interacted with faggots screaming at me to use they/them like they did to that one youtuber. Regardless I really liked the reveal he is the first Temple.
>>1091779 I mean, our Warframes are essentially clones. Ordins has a line saying it’s Jade and at the same time isn’t. In all likelihood if Jade survived the childbirth and any sample we had of Jade was actually after that she wouldn’t be pregnant. But since she was transformed mid-pregnancy and died by the birth, all our Jades are derived from that. It isn’t like Arthur that was injected with a strain that turned him into Excalibur, rather all we got was the final product of a pregnant Jade to use instead of a strain that turns women into infested humanoid angels
>>1091702 I give DE a bit of credit here because they managed to go with the theme without it being blatant pandering. Flare/Temple is technically a they because he's sharing his head and body with an obssessive infested girlfriend. >>1091779 I handwave it as being sort of like Ripley in Alien Ressurection. They cloned her so good, they managed to copy the thing growing off her at the same time. And if you want to get even more handwavey than that, the baby frame was just an energy ball before being born while Jade's conversion to a frame incorporated her pregnant nature to the design process; or more simply, the normal rules don't apply.
>>1082692 >The warframe Temple & his protoframe, Flare. DE decided they should both be officially "nonbinary". Why? Hell if I know. <game is Canadian There's your problem
>>1093567 The fact they don't even bother to explore why he wants to identify this one with any depth makes it just a pointless character trait. It only exists to pander to his designer. Part of me hope they eventually cave to pressure & just retcon him to use normal male pronouns. But that's a pipe dream really. >>1093596 It IS Jade in that it's frame built based on the original. But yeah I get your logic. >>1094165 Canadian but also owned by China. I think Tencent directly. But they seem to be too handsoff about it.
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Hagbros refugee thread. Are you guys here? I miss talking about hags and builds with you guys
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Is the AX-52 good for you? Fuck ETA
>>1096995 I like it, it works pretty well with acuity or crux too
>>1097026 I'm having fun with it too, when you build your stacks up it can hit some really nice numbers. I've been trying to build up a kuva ogris too but it started out at 25% heat and I don't want to grind out another 3 liches just to get it to 60.
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>>1097049 > kuva ogris I haven't used that in ages. I kinda miss the aoe meta now that you've mentioned it but I get why they had to nerf it, some weapons got done worse than others though like said orgis >>1097056 You'll never get me to hate alchemy
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>>1096984 If it's truly ogre, then one last time for the road... How do I build Mag?
Glad to see you all bros. I need help: People told me Sonicor is cool as fuck and it’s part of Atlas’ package but it’s just some wrist-mounted gun. Seems worse than Epitaph even Wasn’t it meant to be some cool hadouken gun? Also does Aptitude work in these? I was under the impression it doesn’t work on AoE weapons like Jade’s Glory
>>1098856 I've never really liked or used the sonicor so I don't really know about all that but you shuld probably check the wiki if your unsure about whether or not an aoe gun is additive or multiplicative with aptitude, it's kinda weird with what aoe get to be the exception
This game makes me feel retarded. There are so many different systems and mechanics being thrown at me that it's hard to keep track of what I should even be doing.
>>1101313 That tracks. The tame gives you a lot of freedom but not much explanation. Our tutorials are all over the place and I don’t remember the last time I saw one. For the first few planets you don’t even need to mod for shit but when you do you are getting curbstomped. And then when you get to Steel Path the scaling goes all over the place Where are you at?
There's actually already a Warframe thread >>1082692
>>1101661 >Where are you at? I'm at the Saturn junction, I'm not sure where that is progression-wise. Should I just focus on filling out the map before I start crafting stuff?
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>>1102591 I know I just didn't know if it would be right to hijack that anons thread
why are coda weapons mr17? Why are you allowed beat a coda if you can't get the reward?
>>1102771 I think it’s around Uranus that most people get struck cause the enemies there get tougher and Sentients start becoming part of the story. The good part is: beating The Second Dream earns you a really good sword. With a catalyst inbuilt. The bad news is you have to get there for starters Did you do the new alerts? All of the Dex weapons Gifted from Lotus have inbuilt catalysts meaning they come with double mod cost to use. Use them and mod with according elements to the factions you are facing. Before Steel Path you shouldn’t need to go crazy on the Viral meta
speaking of alerts, I never played the original wolf boss fights. Is he particularly hard? I know the missions are only level 50 but I heard he has status resistance I don't need any specialized builds for him right? I'm assuming he also has damage attenuation too
>>1096984 That's a 19 year old. >>1096995 Seems okay with Biotic Rounds. >>1102771 First priority is filling the star chart. Then tackling the missions as you go. You can farm Rhino, Nova, & Hydroid pretty quickly iirc. Don't worry about collecting everything but pushing your kits to the highest they'll go at least for mastery. Join a clan & ask if they can help you.
>>1103595 He's just a stupid damage sponge that stands there doing fuck all, until you randomly take a morbillion damage in one hit. Just like every other "boss" in this game.
just got my 60% tysis and infested tail
>>1107034 Thanks for telling me there is a 60% Coda around
>>1094308 People really need to stop assuming being Tencent owned is some guard against gayness. League of Legends should disprove as much.
How is Coda Tysis? I used to love Tysis before Armor changes cause I used it to armor strip tough grineer and bosses (even though against Vay Hek he kept the armor values anyway) But it didn’t have any power aside that. What about now?
>>1111707 Probably the worst coda right next to the pox. It's 60% right now though, so you may as well play for an hour and get it anyways. Maybe with secondary encumber it could be better.
>>1112687 Oh man
>>1082702 This is an extreme stretch, but when I read that Grendel and Gauss were meant to be released at the same time a thought came to me: Is there an Ornstein and Smough reference here? Fat cannibal frame and lightning (fast) skinny frame.
>>1112826 It is what it is. Mods and arcanes are so strong now a days you can easily make it work, but its a solid C tier at best. DE could have made it better, but they got very lazy with the codas compared to the kuva and tenet stuff.
>>1112945 Now that they've covered all three major factions, I hope we can get something like Kuva/Tenet/Coda versions of the Sentinels that they refuse to give Primes to since they aren't Orokin in origin. Kuva Diriga, Coda Djinn, and Tenet Oxylus.
The one and only issue truly holding warframe back is damage attentuation >make a decent build >shreds through enemies with ease >fight a boss >damage gets capped >stare the boss to death for 5 minutes >encouraged to use unlimited ammo weapons like laetum >pigeon-holed into a meta strat they can keep that dogshit mechanic IF we get another mechanic that disables that shit.
>>1113229 Damage attenuation is a (poor) bandaid for the greater problem which is that the combat is inherently flawed across the board because of how bloated damage has become. If the players can break multipliers by several degrees be simultaneously unkillable via shield gating/overguard/full iframes/mesmer skin/etc and also regularly deal damage in the hundreds of thousands to millions, how do you create an engaging experience? You can't. So the game has to become balancing on a knife's edge where if you don't maintain your state of invincibility you quickly get absolutely crushed the second damage manages to squeak past and tough your health pool. And in that state, the only way to create difficulty that measures higher than the normal dross that you fight is scaling. Since I came back to the game over a month ago since not playing it in 2019 I've been struggling to find the right comparison for how I feel about it. Outside of planning and creating your build, nothing about the gameplay feels meaningful in the way that I usually enjoy when playing games. I like back-and-forth struggle with the enemies I fight against, but instead of that Warframe is the equivalent of clobbering somebody over the head and having your way with them. Even with that being the case I enjoy playing the game, it feels good to use the overpowered tools in my hands and I love the alien fleshmech aesthetics ILU SARYN and the story/worldbuilding where it isn't shit on by bad characters with unfitting dialogue and bizarre pacing is also right up my alley, but outside of some kind of top-to-bottom damage rework I can't see them actually fixing any of these issues that are just gonna get more and more exacerbated.
>>1083099 >warframe story >OMG THE WARFRAMES ARE ACTUALLY LITTLE KIDS!!!!!!!! WOW!!! you are retarded if you claim you play for story
>>1113514 >how do you create an engaging experience? You can't. you can with other mechanics. lets take the lieutenant as an example. >starts borderline unkillable >the arena has "spotlights" pointing at the boss >shoot the spotlights to make him vulnerable >each spotlight reduces damage attenuation by a certain amount with that, veterans with a good build only have to pop 1 or 2 spotlights, while mrlets might have to pop all of them. this turns a 1 micro second fight into a fight. as it stands now, damage attenuation does nothing more than waste your time and effort. i'd much rather be absurdly powerful through my own wit and effort than gimped by a bandaid mechanic just to make a couple of fights take more time.
>>1113229 I agree. Fuck’s sake they made Acuity that superficially rewards a skillful playstyle with hundreds of thousands to millions of damage and then Attenuation tends to make it hit softer than Multishot builds
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I knew something was off about them.
>>1114035 I might actually do ETA this week now. The DA is still aids, but half health should at least make it faster.
>>1114035 Well that explains a lot
Am I dumb or can I not view the Argon Crystals in my inventory? I wanted to see how long they have to decay without looking at the wiki.
>>1115020 You should be able to. I do all the time. I don’t think they are time-based but more of reset based. And decay 1 by 1
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WE ARE SO BACK
>>1115387 Turns out I AM dumb, they're under "Components" in the "Foundry" tab.
Posting this classic
>>1115767 24hrs and they decay on time collected not 1 by 1 so if you got 1 earlier than the other they'll both decay at the same time but have different expiry dates
>>1119134 Ah, I see. So they all decay at the same time but actually expire at different times. Gotcha. Also, do I reeeeaally gotta join a clan just to get Yareli's parts?
>>1122426 yeah there's no way around it unless you plan to make some plat and buy her
>>1122426 Best to do so because some frames and weapons are only acquirable that way. And in special alerts, being in a clan opens extra shops like Gargoyle’s Cry and Belly of the Beast. You will want to be in a clan then.
>>1123166 >>1123531 Do I actually gotta contribute in any way or interact with these people? I'd rather just get the parts and leave.
>>1123863 Depends on the clan. There is always a high ranked gigantic clan that is chill enough. Mine only has the restriction that 1 month inactive risks a ban. And they didn't ban me for that anyway. Though this also means there is barely interaction there. Years back we kept helping each other doing relics togehter. Nowadays my clan is basically an accessory to us, to use for Trading or these benefits.
>>1123863 like he said it depends on the clan but if you don't want to join one yareli should be next in line for a prime you could just wait
>>1123958 >>1124148 Yeah, I think I'll just wait. I really don't wanna have to join anything if I don't have to.
What happened to the steam login? >>1124284 for your sake anon I hope they don't skip her for gyre
>>1096984 there's a vg board now gonna make a wfg thread there since there's a good chance 4chin is ded for good
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/wfg/ bros are you here? Is this our new home now? I just got here.
>>1129067 There's a thread on /vg/ >>>/vg/1498 I think that works
They should make a warfare game but with anime girls.
>>1129356 duet night abyss when...
>>1083142 There's an alternate timeline where warframe was a pretty cool 12 hour singleplayer console action shooter with a now dead multiplayer that people remember very fondly.
I spent far too much time playing shitframe. I want that time back.
>>1145795 source on the dolphin music?


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