Lately I've been tinkering with the idea of using screenshots to supplement my crusty old anki deck. I have a few dozen screenshots, and I'm finding this reasonably effective, but beyond that, it's also kinda fun. Suddenly I'm capturing moments, with voices and faces, instead of marking dictionary entries for rote memorization. Engaging new material feels like looking for rare pokemon— I want to take the most-wrong-answered cards of my deck, and find actual examples of each. Have you tried this, anon? Does it scale?

>>1081510 >Have you tried this, anon? Does it scale? I haven't really done it with video-games, but I have used Memento to do "one mouse click cards" that have a screenshot, audio, definitions and the sentence itself for anime and TV shows. Here is a video with a similar setup that I used https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5bfawC4Is5w (you get the necessary links in the video description), with the one big difference in that I set it up for Word cards(with the sentence as a helper), instead of Sentence cards. I know there are tons of debates on this subject, but from my personal experience when I went with the Tango TheMoeWay for N5 and N4, is that I would end up reading the first few words of a sentence, then immediately know what the sentence is, without finishing it as well as what the target word would be, even if it's at the end of the sentence, so it's not that I learned the word, but that I associated "かれは" with "学校" which is not good. Here is a picture of how my cards look nowadays, as I switched to a monolingual dictionary(though I still have the bilingual one, when I don't understand the definition), as well as my Memento setup(I use the animecards template https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/151553357) I once tried to do the same with a Visual Novel, since I can go through them at my own pace, but rarely do I find one that is fully voiced, so for those I tried using Japanese let's players that read the VN when there was no voice acting, and try to record it and sync it with the cards, while also using software to extract the text and add them on a webpage, so that I could use yomitan to create the card. In the end it was too much of a hassle, so I prefer mining using anime, and vidya for immersion. >inb4 why use Memento when you could do the same thing with mpv and the necessary plugins Memento is mpv with all the plugins in one big package that just works. I initially tried setting up mpv, but it was just easier to use Memento. I am sure you could have an even better setup with mpv, but this was good enough for me.

>>1080622 I'm going to go a bit off topic with this, but are there any other non-English/Japanese languages worth learning specifically for vidya? I've heard strong cases made for Russian, Chinese and Portuguese for the sheer amount of players from each respective region, but I wanna know you guys' opinion, and if you had resources for those languages that are as good as the ones for Japanese. Also, are there any games that are best enjoyed in a specific language that isn't strictly English or Japanese?

>>1081552 Maybe russian for piracy but other than that I can't really think of any other unless you're specifically into the games a certain country makes.

>>1081552 >but are there any other non-English/Japanese languages worth learning specifically for vidya? Not really unless you want to specifically play vidya released from a specific country. Probably Korean is the next "big" contender because they are extremely present in the gaming space, and Russian if you're interested in Slav-jank. And I would say Chinese, but that's too much of a mess to deal with. Because you have to decide if you want to learn traditional (Taiwan) or simplified (West Taiwan/CCP), and there is a huge difference. And even then, many Asian productions translated into Chinese also often have an English translation attached because that's one of the primary languages in the region if the game is lacking a Korean/Japanese translation. If you're looking for another language to learn specifically for the purposes of consuming media, not just video games, I'd say French or Italian because of how important they are in the comic industry.

>>1081552 >players That doesn't matter, at least not until later generations when those players become developers. What matters is where the games are coming from, which is largely Japan, America, and the UK. Chinese games might slowly become a thing but it'll be a while. Korean games are coming a bit faster and have a bit more history but they still have a long ways to grow. Other European countries have few games relative to the overall industry, and most of the good ones are already translated.

>>1081510 Ah,too much work

I see in famitsu they only put furigana on the first time words show up in an article. Good for learning.

>>1081552 There are a lot of German-only games, if you're big into graphic adventure games and CRPGs.

Does anybody know what this says? It's basic katakana but I can't quite make out all of the characters.

>>1082423 >be tsu chi maa ku <futee? fuaa??

>>1082423 Benchmark shiaa

>>1082423 Benchmark tour.

>>1082423 ベンチマーク ツアー as >>1082460 said

I think I'll sign up for the N4 this summer. I've been slacking a bit though so we'll see how this goes.

I know this isn't Japanese, but it's in the same vein as learning Japanese/a foreign language and relates to certain video games. Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? I think it will be useful to me and I have always had a fondness for it ever since I played with some Russian people on counter strike many moons ago. I figure it'll help for playing through STALKER games, to boot. Any resources one can provide me on this would be appreciated.

>>1084745 rutracker should already have lots of russian resources.

>>1084745 >Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? Just sentence/word mine Russian TV shows?

>>1084745 >Can anyone provide some information on learning Russian? The fastest way I know to learn any language its to embed yourself in a community of natives. So find a local russian group or get some slavic friends and talk to them in an app like discord. Most normies get excited when a foreigner want to know about their culture so they will teach you for free kek. Also STALKER is based, i recomend the ANOMALY modpack. It adds a ton of content.

>>1084764 I wish it were that easy to find some Maybe I should go to some russian servers in video games and try to make friends with the few who speak a little english

Well I signed up for the N4. 100 maple bucks this year, what a rip.

>>1087689 Ganbare, anon. Post your results when you take the test.

>>1087694 I wont get my results until about a month after the test so it will be a while. I don't know why they take so long to mark them.

>>1087707 I recall trying to sign up for N5 years ago soon after I started my Nihongo journey, and I had to 'pre-order' the test itself 6 months in advance, and the window to sign up is only available for like a month or two, so if you miss that window you were shit out of luck until the following fuckin year. That made me not care about taking the JLPT tests. Is it still like that? Or was it different for you?

>>1089217 You have to sign up 3 months in advance and there's a two week window to sign up. For my location they test twice a year but yeah in a lot of places they only test once. But at the same time I mean idk how hard is it to mark a date on a calendar or write it down or whatever.

>>1089287 >But at the same time I mean idk how hard is it to mark a date on a calendar or write it down or whatever. A lot of people have jobs that like to spring surpises at the last minute.

>>1089294 If you can't take the test that's one thing but if you can't sign up that's entirely another. Also the test seems to always be on sunday which should greatly lessen the chance of you having to work that day.

I learnt english through learning how basic 5 word sentences work and how to read and write the alphabet, the rest came to me through hundreds of hours of sims gameplay. I want to approach japanese in the same manner. any resources for learning the basic version of the alphabet (I think its called kana could be wrong) and the barebones base grammar rules?

>>1089538 Set you sims install to japanese.

>>1089538 Do you talk in Simlish now?

>>1089538 >I think its called kana could be wrong Correct, it is kana. As far as you wanting to approach Japanese in the same manner of how you learned english, there's a lot of games in Japan with varying levels of readability. Beginning your learning journey of the language, you want to ideally look for games that have furigana as they act as training wheels for one to help learn & remember kanji easier by virtue of having the kanas above kanjis. Pokemon games for instance, originally only had kanas which sound easy and helpful on paper, but a lack of kanji makes it hard to read & learn. Starting with the Gamecube games (Pic 1) & DS games, they've switched to furigana. The N64 Zelda games had kana & kanji which make for better reading than only kana, but you won't know how to say or understand the kanjis as they don't give you readings nor the characters dialouge, you have to go by context. Much like with Pokemon though, they also switched to furigana with the Gamecube games (Pic 2 & 3) & DS games. The 3DS remakes of the N64 games also get furigana. If you want a game just like The Sims that you can sink your teeth into for the hours of ganeplay and learn Japanese from it, then try out Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Pic 4) for 3DS as the prior games have kana and kanji. For the grammer rules there's the Tae Kim's Grammer book linked in the OP. I wouldn't waste my time with grammer imo as you'll pick up on it later as you go. You could take up anon's suggestion >>1089724 & replay The Sims in Japanese but I would leave that game aside as something to challenge yourself with later as it doesn't have furigana nor Japanese voices. While it also only has kanji & no Japanese voices, MySims (Pic 5) is a bit more fitting due to the Sims stuff being dumbed-down & also having other games beyond Sims-clone like Racing, Party, & Agents.

No mention of WaniKani, is there any particular reason why it's not listed as a resource?

>>1090504 Has it worked for you?

>>1090504 Just use an RTK deck for Anki.

>>1084764 >find a local russian group or get some slavic friends and talk to them How is he going to talk to them without knowing russian? You're skipping waaaay ahead of yourself. That should be the final step, not the first step.

>>1089538 I used realkana.com to drill the alphabet. Only takes a week or 2. Then, for grammar the best introduction is "Japanese the Manga Way" which is on archive.org. A lot of people recommend "Tae Kim" but Japanese the Manga Way has all the same information, but with MUCH better examples, taken from real manga. https://archive.org/details/japanese-the-manga-way/page/n2/mode/1up?view=theater

>>1090504 It's a scam. The only bigger scam in language learning is Duolingo. You will not learn a language using an app.

>>1089815 I can sing la gallina in simlish >>1089962 thanks for the suggestions of what games to play anon-sempai. I still need to learn the kana be able to pronounce the symbols when I read them. any guides to learn them? I cannot into anki.

>>1091814 when I was young, my parents raised my allowence for using that. I used it for english and my own language. keke

>>1092105 mind you this was ages later after the sims thing. I was already fluent in reading english by then.

I'm going by The Moe Way. Just going through the 30 day set with their linked Anki deck. Afraid to start cause I had zero foundation when I first tried to learn and burned myself pretty hard.

>>1092095 >I still need to learn the kana be able to pronounce the symbols when I read them. any guides to learn them? I cannot into anki. If you want to be yelled at by a drunk guy that likes drinking beer while also learning the language, there's Namasensei's Japanese lessons (Pic 1)! You don't have to get a pen and notebook if you don't want to write the stuff out, and he does get stroke orders wrong but he's still good teaching material He has a playlist of his lessons here https://inv.nadeko.net/playlist?list=PL9987A659670D60E0 Begin at Lesson 1 Hiragana and then go to the next lessons. If you want to just jump straight to the language, there's Doragana on Nintendo DS & 3DS (Pics 2, 3, & 4.) Doraemon teaches you all the hiragana, katakana, & some Japanese words the kids are taught and include some of the pictures that correspond to the words. It goes the extra mile of not only how you pronounce those kanas but also how you write them and, being a game made for Japanese kids, will be easy to pick up and understand. I strongly recommend you go with that game because it'll serve you well as a beginner and when you go venturing off to playing other games entirely in Japanese, you won't feel as overwhelmed with the lack of learning knowledge. If you want another game to play in Japanese that has furigana, look no further than the Zelda games on DS (Pic 5 for Phantom Hourglass). The Zelda games are already good at highlighting the important words in red and blue for things like items and names, but DS Zelda games go even further than that as you can tap the kanjis on the touchscreen and they'll give you furigana readings. To my knowledge, no other Japanese game has done something like this. Thus, you can go on an adventure and test yourself with the kanjis once you learn them as you're bound to see the same characters pop up. As another piece of advice on your coming language learning journey, you shouldn't go at this through the lens of a dry a rigid academic student where you constantly assess yourself and depend on a grade telling you that you're good/not good at understanding the language. Your highest priority should be having fun with it because if you're not enjoying it, then you'll see it as a job and get burnt out. For that kind of fun mindset, I heartly recommend reading from the now defunct 'All Japanese All The Time' blog which has been archived for prosperity. It has lot of informative & humerous readings https://alljapanesealltheti.me/

>>1092095 the process of learning the language is pretty much the same as any other. the one big difference is the moonrune wall your biggest challenges will be reconciling the huge differences with your native language, finding the words to express something, and figuring out how to use a word and the differences between words for grammar just do tae kim's grammar guide and grab cure dolly's playlist. after establishing a foundation just look up stuff as you go on reference books like the dojg. if it works for you, you can do textbook exercises (fill in the gaps, complete the text using the words in the box, match words with pictures, answer the questions, etc.) there are few resources for moonrunes which is unfortunate because they have a ton of tricks to them >the parts that make them up (radicals and other stuff) round up to around 300 unique parts or so >most fall into one or more of 6 categories (rikusho): <shiji moji, abstract icons like 上, 下, 中, 一, 二, 末(すえ), 本(as in もと) <shoukei moji, based on objects like 山, 日, 木, 月 <kai'i moji, composite characters, like 東 (sun(日) rising over the horizon shining through the trees(木)), 休む is a person(人(亻)) resting against a tree(木) <tenchuu moji. when kanji derive new meanings later on (e.g. 楽 gaining the uses for fun). ignore this category <kashaku moji, borrowed characters. basically used only for sound. mostly describes uses for names like countries, like in 仏蘭西(aka フランス, france), 伊太利亜(aka イタリア, italy). ignore this and just learn katakana <phono-semantic compounds, the largest group (see below) >keisei moji (semantic and phonetic components) e.g. anything with 貝 likely has to do with money: 金貨, 買う, 財布, 貧乏, 売る(old form is 賣る), 円(old form is 圓), etc. not always though (会員 means member of an association/assembly, 隕石 means meteor, etc.) >compounds fall into one of many categories: <similar meanings: 上昇, 切断, 増加, 低減 <opposites: 上下, 左右, 増減, 出入り <former modifies latter: 洋服, 大会, 小屋, 下水, 火山 <latter acts as object or complement of former: 殺人(人を殺す), 登山(山に登る) <pics with mnemonics like pic related <former negates latter: 不正(not legal), 未定(not yet determined), 未来(future (not yet come)), 非常(extremely, emergency (not usual)), 否定(negation (not determined)), 無罪(not guilty) <construction (naritachi) and breakdown (just something to try. kanji dictionaries specialize in this) if you don't burn out in the middle you'll eventually get there

>>1094162 This book goes into detail about that for kanji, and it's bilingual.

>>1094162 >>1094185 oh yeah and stroke orders can be guessed ~98% of the time from the basic rules+the basic parts. e.g. although you'd expect 牜(ox radical on the left) to follow the rules, it differs from 牛(ox radical)'s regular stroke order. however, anything that includes 牜 will maintain its stroke order: 物, 特, 牝, 牡, 牧, etc.

the new doraemon movie is kino bros

>>1093041 If the moe way is the one where you just look up words from your anime in a japanese dictionary until you master the language then good luck man. I can't imagine anything more tedious.

>>1096757 It's here https://learnjapanese.moe/routine/. I've tried before with the core deck in the OP but I got overwhelmed and burned out, among other things. I feel like the idea of "listen to Japanese for building comprehension" while doing flashcards and trying to read basic things could help but you tell me if you think this guide is worthless or not.

i'm playing tales of the abyss in japanese

>>1081552 >I've heard strong cases made for Russian, Chinese and Portuguese for the sheer amount of players from each respective region Lol. >Russian. Only really good for piracy, and even then most stuff from there gets reposted on english trackers if you know where to look and that assumes it's not already on the usual normalfag pirate sites. >Chink. Hell no, not even chinese readers want to read chinese stories with how bloated they are. I got baited into learning it for at least the basics so I could read gachaslop stories without trannylation butchering but it's honestly not worth your time. >Brazilese. Learn chinese at that point, talking to macacos is not worth your time, and the few ones that have something non-retarded to say already know english.

>>1091811 Tae kim is a retard intentionally teaching you wrong, just use the pisscord way's (themoeway) guides, they are as streamlined as it gets. Also don't fall on the anki grinding trap, immersion as soon as humanly possible even if you understand jack shit at first is key.

>>1103579 I perused pretty well all of the guides when I started. And honestly while they have a lot of decent resources in them, I think most of them are either for the most extreme autists out there or subtly attempting to push people away from learning the language. They either tell you to move at a pace thats pretty extreme like the moe way or like ajatt where it makes you tediously look up words for months until you somehow your brain makes sense of sentences, and go fuck yourself if you even consider using an english dictionary. I don't know what the deal is with the mentality in these guides or even sometimes the anons in these types of threads but honestly some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book. Even worse if it quizzes you on the stuff you've learned. Idk man, I can only tell you whats working for me. I do my anki decks for vocab and I'm going through the genki books for grammar. And sometimes I find an old issue of famitsu that looks interesting and I slowly read through some articles while looking up a bunch of words. That's basically it. I don't really see the problem some anons have with the genki books since they're written by native japanese people but whatever. I'm on lesson 17 of genki(I did the workbook questions as well), I did the AJT kanji transition deck and now I'm now about 75% through the kaishi 1.5k and only now am I just starting to get the feeling that I can actually kind of read some simple stuff like nhk easy news. People who are JUST starting out, thinking they can learn through pokemon or whatever are in for a rude awakening. I was humbled by animal crossing a couple times before I gave up on that. Those games are made for japanese kids who, while not knowing any kanji, have a very strong grasp of japanese vocabulary and grammar. Games like that are not meant for learning on from a base of literally nothing. Japanese has a lot of homophones so you NEED to know your vocab if you're going to start reading games with no kanji in them. Anyway, my main advice here is to take it slow. Go through your decks ONE AT A TIME and do them at 5-10 words a day or whatever you're comfortable with depending on how you feel but make sure to REVIEW YOUR FORGOTTEN WORDS multiple times a day. At least 3. Make a routine of it. You're in this for the long haul. Then just find an hour every day or every other day to work on genki or whatever grammar guide you want. If you do those two things you WILL start to get somewhere you WILL see improvements.

>>1104521 I'll keep that in mind while I try again. Thanks for the overview and advice. Friend of mine said he'd lend me his Genki books so I'll crack them open too.

>>1104521 >They either tell you to move at a pace thats pretty extreme define extreme. also consider that you don't have to follow shit to a tee >tediously look up words for months got a better idea? vocabulary lists? glossaries? labeled pictures? how do you even begin to take in shit like ～上は, ～た上で/～の上, and ～上に if not via repeated lookups? >some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book because they shove all non-intuitive shit under the rug. you don't hear about very common shit like ここから先は立ち入り禁止 (keep out, you can't go past this point, etc.) simply because baww gwammaw so hawd and diffrunt from engrisshu bawwww. hell, people regularly allude to the '私はウナギです means I'm an eel' joke since textbooks shy away from teaching は vs が, something you could cover in a page or 2 with a few example sentences covering a few patterns. there's no worse feeling than having to throw away your work, and unlearning little 'white lies' sucks big time >Games like that are not meant for learning on from a base of literally nothing. you'd be surprised by how far you can get in games like DQI just with reference material (e.g. DoJG) and word lookups. of course, you won't be able to crack archaic shit like the ん in 神のご加護があらんことを(may god's divine blessing be upon you) i.e. 神のご加護がありますように(願っています, or ウ音便 like うれしゅうございます (i.e. うれしくあります->うれしいです)

Such a waste of time. All you need is Animelon and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0kU2cc85ZA&list=PLB3F2C5D8B5F81F34

>>1104964 Look like I said I can only tell people my experience. Attempting to read anything while knowing basically no vocab and grammar fucking sucked. Its extremely tedious and it takes forever to get anywhere. To build vocab there are plenty of decks out there with the most common 1000 or so words in them. Only after going though those decks is actually reading anything with any sort of smoothness actually possible. I don't give a shit if you think textbooks shove "non intuitive" stuff under the rug. It such a stupid statement anyway implying intermediate and advanced grammar books don't exist. The beginner ones are made for fucking beginners which everyone start as. If a native japanese speaker thinks people don't need to know the peculiarities of a particle until after they've learned other things then that's fine by me. I've not in any sort of rush. I'll get there eventually. Not to mention that pretty much any grammar point can be looked up anyway so more detailed explanations are always available.

>>1104964 >ここから先は立ち入り禁止 > baww gwammaw so hawd and diffrunt from engrisshu bawwww >私はウナギです >は vs が I should also mention that I stay FAR away from most japanese learning circles and so I am unfamiliar with the usual strawmans associated with more traditional learning methods. Thank god for that. But for me, it's eel.

>>1105509 anki isn't a bad start but it's merely a memory aid, not a silver bullet for language learning. it doesn't teach word usage by itself, so if you're dealing with something that's not intuitive like いい加減(形容動詞, irresponsible/bullshit (e.g. story), adequate degree (as in, cut it with the jokes and get your shit together; also as in this is a good place to wrap things up), and sloppy/half-baked/not thorough) and いい加減(adverb, means excessive/too much) you're gonna have a bad time. >>1105563 >usual strawmen you seem awfully self-centered. the truth is there's no shortage of retards who fail at shit like that, which clearly suggests that it's subpar learning materials' fault for going for the low-hanging fruit and shoving complexity under the rug, like most language courses do (gotta keep milking the goycattle) another big example is how textbooks expect you to just drill kanji without teaching you the tricks. it's despicable and no one should stand for that

>>1104964 >は vs が What's the explanation without the white lies?

>>1105907 shit like introducing a new topic vs information about something already known (昔々、姫がいました。姫は美しいでした-> there once was a princess. the princess was beautiful.), contrast (肉は好きだが、野菜は好きじゃない), etc. there are tons of sites explaining it. don't expect people to just paste walls of text when you can use a search engine

>>1104521 >I don't know what the deal is with the mentality in these guides or even sometimes the anons in these types of threads but honestly some people seem to get livid with the idea of just cracking open a beginners japanese grammar book. Even worse if it quizzes you on the stuff you've learned. The thing with japanese is you either NEED it or you are not gonna learn it in a reasonable timeframe, if ever. "Need" has multiple meanings mind you, maybe you basically are going to be living there and not around the tokyo area where you can basically get by with westoidese, maybe you have a seething hatred for trannylators and NEED the experience as the author/devs intended, maybe you got a japanese 3dpd gf. The point is, you NEED to be fluent as soon as humanly possible, that's kind of it. Textbooks are too fucking slow for this and the language is too dense to really take your time and still learn in a reasonable timeframe.

>>1105907 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-hK4-qv9Yk >B-b-but da robit voice is le weird. x2 speed.

Even practicing drawing kanji doesn't help me remember them very well, too many of them are just too complex to remember at a glance. I can read baby books with only the simplest and most common kanji, but moving up from material for literal babies to stuff with some actual entertainment value is hard.

>>1105907 Someone tell me where I'm retarded here so I can learn too. But as far as I know: >が always indicates the subject, inelastically, i.e. it's a 1-1 analogy to the "subject" in English. >は however is a "subject topic" (that's all I've ever read/heard) indicator, which has no English 1-1. It's elastic in its use, and is only for special use cases. So it's use is directed largely by the current vernacular. >fucking Japniggers は can be used with or without が for different effects. For example は (no が) can be used to indicate/change the topic and thus the subject too(with focus, so it expresses contrast). But I'm betting even in a "(no が)" use case, the subject can also be implied/understood to be something else depending on the sentence/context. PLUS, I think I've also seen は used WITH が, though that's the most straight-forward to understand since there's no room for implication garbage.

>>1105907 が marks the one who IS, or DOES. Consider this the subject of a sentence. は marks the topic that defines the context being talked about Every sentence has both a subject and a topic. Sometimes they are implicit, though. Sometimes the same word is both things (the subject of the current sentence is also the topic), in which case you'll have to omit one of the two particles depending on the context and what you want to emphasize more. The one you didn't choose will still be there, it's just implicit. Because again, every sentence has a topic and a subject, even if you can't see it.

>>1106371 you get used to it >あ～っ! 容疑者が逃げようとしている! ahh! the suspect is getting away! >容疑者は逃げようとしている doesn't make sense. you're saying something like "uh, so like, the suspect is, like, getting away and stuff. so what are everyone else's plans?" you also have the possessive が used in some expressions: 龍が如く, 我が, 我が家, 我が国, 我が社, 我が闘争, etc.

>>1105875 >awfully self-centered 100 percent. Because when it comes learning nip everyone's got an opinion and I'm gonna do shit MY way.

so much irony you could build a railroad from coast to coast with it

>>1106371 >>1106451 が has a bunch of specific uses as well though like when you indicate whether someone has the ability to do something. All about Particles by Naoko Chino is a good book that covers them pretty pretty well.

Anyone using the wanikani ultimate deck for anki? if so, how did you configure it?

>>1107231 Comical seeing even here people fall for using demonic antijapan buzzwords that rot the mind.

>>1107345 Well they're still moonrunes even if I like what they're saying.

>>1107361 Based ironic weeb.

How much games/applications like "So to Speak" can help a newbie to get some basic understanding of nipponese?

>>1112422 it ranges from nothing at all to a little. most of them focus ease of use and retention. generally you'll advance at a faster pace by studying off materials like guides and books and experiencing media. for example, don't expect apps to say 'now we'll introduce attributive modification (e.g. [私が飼っている]犬です-> the dog [(that) I own] (i.e. the dog [I'm taking care of]))'

>>1106371 I still don't understand what the fuck is passive sentence and when to use に

>>1115757 Don't worry about it.

>>1115769 it's in n4 material so surely it would come up pretty often right

while 形容詞+です has been accepted for over 70 years (~1951), it's technically wrong (you can't say 楽しいだ so by the same token 楽しいです should be wrong too) pic related from the keigo toushin mentions that very few holdovers who take issue with it remain, but what is the 'alternative' to it? all I can find from searches is stuff like >楽しかりました (shortening of 楽しく+ありました), and other more archaic stuff like 安かり(やすくあり) >楽しゅうございました (ウ音便+ございます) (also listed in the pic, will make you sound like a mummy) >rephrase it: e.g. 楽しいひと時でした (refusing to use adjectives politely at all)

>>1116070 Apparently there are some placed in japan where they will say da after adjectives. They know it's wrong but it's basically an accent thing to them.

>>1106534 >>容疑者は逃げようとしている >doesn't make sense. Yes it does. You'd just be making a contrasting statement or introducing a new topic. >被害者は暴力犯罪の通報書を提出するため、午後９時自宅から外出し、交番に向かいます。途中で再び容疑者に遭遇、暴行を受けました。現在でも逮捕はなく、容疑者は依然として逃走中です。

>>1116070 When speaking casually, people usually use 形容詞+んだ, like 楽しいんだ. This is a shortening/slurring of のだ, like 楽しいのだ. However actually using のだ will sound weird a lot of time, it's generally considered that のだ is something you write while んだ is what you say actually speaking IRL.

>>1116478 >Yes it does. You'd just be making a contrasting statement or introducing a new topic. if what you say does not match the proposed situation (look, X is happening!), then you can't say the usage is correct. grammatical correctness is not all there is to it. は was used in your sentence because it's referring to a suspect known previously (the suspect (from before, of this case)), and because of the change of focus from 被害者 to 容疑者 >>1116812 のです/んです works, but it can't be used all the time. e.g. 「あ～、楽しいんでした」 doesn't sound right to me.

>>1090504 IMO dedicated kanji study alone is inefficient for learning the language as a whole after early kanji and vocab. This is also true for RTK, and WhinyCunny is just RTK with extra steps and extra price. If you know a couple hundred kanji, which yeah you can get from WaniKani free version or like 1/4th of an RTK Anki deck, you are better moving on to mining Anki cards from content you consume.

>>1116866 For past tense, wouldn't you just say 楽しかった? It can be 楽しかったです if being formal, or 楽しいんだった if casual.

>>1116070 The alternative is you don't use です。

Why is there so much weirdness about learning Japanese especially? Like, 90% of ESLs learn English by just fucking doing it, hitting the pavement and not stopping until they know it. I learned a decent amount of Russian by listening to music and playing games. But there's so much almost pseudoscience around Japanese, "bro you gotta do ZIPZIPZOO and these esoteric methods". It seem like how the brain's language acquisition would work.

*doesn't seem maybe I should try learning English first :^)

>>1117508 There's a lot of autism involved in the people who want to learn it. Combine that with people wanting to learn it as fast as possible and japanese just having a sort of hacked together writing system and there's your answer.

>>1117508 No idea. I learned Japanese exactly the same way I learned English - by consuming media.

>>1117508 Learning a language can often feel like smashing your head onto a brick wall until one it finally crumbles and all of you sudden you just "know" it. I'm guessing a lot of autists wanting to learn Japanese to watch anime or whatever really want some scientific method to learning so they can feel like they getting guaranteed progress everyday.

>>1117508 >autistic weebs want to learn Japanese >said weebs' ignorance of how language learning actually works >army of grifters trying to sell them shit Anybody have the screencap of the language app owner intentionally keeping his users "spinning their wheels"? Because that's all it is, salesmen looking for gullible paypigs to bleed dry for years. This is why you see people using Duolingo everyday for years and coming out the other side unable to string together a coherent sentence. Not that the way other languages are taught is perfect, most resources for French place heavy emphasis on route memorization of syntax and conjugation, concepts you have no use or context for without already having a good grasp on the language.

video games?

>>1117508 Just doing it works up until the point where you have to actually read. I moved to Japan and picked up enough conversational Japanese to work in the night industry in a year, but being able to read took a painfully long time of dedicated study. I don't know of another language with as big of a barrier between speaking and reading.

>>1117444 >don't use です so rephrasing, i.e. option 3. dropping teineigo is not an option >>1117508 >tons of snake oil peddlers and sketchy methods floating around. garbage like duoshitguo and rtk (just write the kangjies over and over and don't worry about words or readings lol) >casualshitters and posers causing burnout. they have a shallow interest + they don't even bother to search or read faqs before asking the same question for the millionth time and then bitching when they don't like the answer. a similar effect is observed in programming and open source circles. just look at stackoverflow which is flooded with homework questions >inappropriate material and lackluster explanations is infuriating. there are no explanations for why an expression is used or the kinds of situations in which they're likely to appear. you read about A一方だ when you can say ますますAになっていくだけだ or something like that. and then you have books using made up crap like 'group I verbs' whatever the fuck that means >lack of resources to find how to say stuff. sites like eikaiwa dmm and hinative don't cut it. how do I use 様子? why にて and not で? how do I say 3 stories tall (3階建て? I'd have never guessed). what do you mean progress (how things are coming along) is 進み具合? 具合 and 都合? what's the difference? all this results in disgruntled learners

>>1118243 Depending on your sentence you don't have to rephrase. このソフトは楽しい。 Should be perfectly fine.

>>1117508 As you pointed out, it's basically a solved issue. Just lock yourself in a room for three years (more like a year and a half really) and just read constantly like Miyamoto Musashi and you will emerge a Jap God. With Japanese specifically, it's because Jap shit is more popular then ever, normalfag Jap pop-culture fans are mentally immature, and it's easy to sell a quick skip and life hacks to those people. Welcome to the Matt vs. Japan clout-chasing grifter era of the "Japanese learning community."

>>1117508 99% of the difficulty in learning JP is not in actually learning JP, it's in unlearning all the dogshit brainrot that you have in the head due to being so used to modern westoidese due to how different the language structures between both are. Most of those strategies (namely AJATT and immersion derivatives) are just self-gaslighting to fix said english brainrot.

>>1118096 >Anybody have the screencap of the language app owner intentionally keeping his users "spinning their wheels"? I know what you're referring to but I don't have it.

>>1117508 Funnily enough, the most efficient method for learning japanese is still, guess what, immersing like you would any other language.

I'm playing Danganronpa, with textractor of course, and I'm surprised by how beginner friendly it is for japanese learners most of the time. The vocabulary isn't very complex, and at least in the easiest mode the characters repeat themselves A LOT so you can always grasp what's going on.

>trying to learn Hiragana >none of the sites have functioning sound when you click on the character I'm questioning whether I should waste two hours making my own study site and remedying the issue myself. Why is this so difficult?

>>1125587 memorizing the kana is the beginning.

>>1125742 Yea, I read the first 10 pages, I just want a way to process material in a way that's going to stick with me. I took two years of Chinese (traditional) so I'm no stranger to stroke order or Kanji (many of them are actually shared which you probably already know).

>>1124624 >immersing like you would any other language. it works but it's super inefficient without measures to improve retention (e.g. taking notes of words and expressions and nuances). not to mention that you should work on active skills on the side or your mind will go completely blank and you'll stammer constantly in front of of people >>1125807 >many of them are actually shared good luck with 里(日, |, 二), 田(vertical stroke before horizontal one on the inside), 卑(compare with 牌 which contains its old form), etc.

>>1125807 there's no shortcut. I spent like a week memorizing hiragana and got like 98% accuracy (the miss were misclick) yet it took me months until I can actually read hiragana stuff without stuttering or secondguessing.

tbqh if you just want to play vidya and consume media, just start doing that and don't worry too much about whether you learned grammar 'the right way' also most day to day spoken japanese is incredibly simple. you could fully get by in japan with pretty much a genki 1 level of understanding. most of this other shit only matters if you're really trying to grind for native fluency in conversational japanese, which if that's the case then your real goal should be finding a way to spend as much time in japan or speaking to japanese people as possible.

>>1118564 if you lock yourself in a room for 3 years and do everything right you will end up mediocre at listening and reading and not able to speak at all

>>1127244 I have to agree with this as someone who's spent 4 years learning Japanese (basically just doing anki and consuming content) and cannot output at all. To be fair, I'm not the smartest person, so I believe a lot of people can just figure it out, but not everyone's brain works that efficiently. I have about 20-25k learned words in Anki, I can read almost anything without an issue and I get 150+ on any N1 mock test out there, yet if you ask me to talk a bit in Japanese, I stutter and can barely introduce myself. It is honestly horrible and I have no idea how to fix it, because I do have the knowledge and my brain can decipher it, but it is unable to copy it and construct sentences by itself. I might be able to read 燕雀鴻鵠 but it's pointless if someone who's barely N3 can out output me.

>>1127244 I learned to speak english by immersion only so it should work for japanese also.

>>1090504 probably a scam just like anki

>>1117508 a lot of people trying to sell courses, books, ect. and a lot of dekinais spending more time theory crafting how to more efficiently learn the language than just fucking doing anything >by doing X i will shave off 5 minutes over the next 2 years, this was worth spending my entire day on instead of just immersing.

What's a good let's play channel to listen to?

>>1131425 I like キヨ. Tons of content over the years, very popular, but high energy which might sometimes even be off putting.

>>1131425 https://www.youtube.com/@karasumaA/videos funny and entertaining, his main content is more like a game review than a let's play. the only downside being he uses tts outside of streaming.

from what I gather, ～を限りに and ～限りで are used to express that something will change after the time period/deadline/amount of times mentioned. e.g. >セールは今週限りです <the sale ends after this week (i.e. the sale's only for this week) >当店は今月３１日限りで閉店致します。 <Our store will permanently close on the 31st of this month. the translation for the following example says 'only for that date/period' >2000年3月10日、東海道・山陽新幹線の食堂車がこの日限りで廃止された。 <On March 10, 2000, the dining car of the Tokaidō-Sanyō Shinkansen was discontinued on that day only. is this correct or a mistranslation? going by the previous examples it should be 'the dining car was shut down that day' the provided chink translation agrees too >2000年3月10日，东海道山阳新干线的餐车在那天停止运营 <(deepl) On March 10, 2000, the Tokaido Sanyo Shinkansen's dining car stopped operating on that day.

>>1128646 >I have no idea how to fix it You get better at writing by writing more. You get better at speaking by talking to people. Either find native conversation practice partners (check your local japanese embassy) or talk with chatgpt. >>1084745 Late, but I heard good things about this website https://mezhdunami.org/

>>1141278 >talk with chatgpt. I have no experience with it, but isn't the stuff it chock-full of mistakes?

>>1141856 If they're about as good as english ones, they'll spout grammatically correct bullshit at you but that should be good enough I suppose.

>>1128646 >if you ask me to talk a bit in Japanese, I stutter and can barely introduce myself. It is honestly horrible and I have no idea how to fix it Lately I've been playing video games and just talking to myself about what's happening in Japanese. Like if I was a Twitch streamer minus the actual streaming. I've been doing it for a month now. At first it was really awkward and I felt stupid the whole time, but now I really enjoy it and I look forward to it. I'm already way better at speaking in Japanese than I was. It's also made my other Japanese learning more fun and effective because I'll see a word I like and I'll go "Oh, I need to remember that so I can say it!" I've beaten four games and become much more fluent. I've gone from sounding like a stuttering gaijin to sounding like a really sleepy, slow-talking gaijin. I definitely recommend giving a shot. I've found slow, simple games without much dialogue, like NES RPGs, work really well. With fast-paced stuff like a racing game or something like Puyo Puyo it's hard to focus on both talking and the game. But with something too basic like Pong there isn't much to discuss, so something with a story and characters is better.

>>1139552 To the extent of my experience, it's correct. This is how I think about these sentences: >セールは今週限りです <the sale is limited to this week >当店は今月３１日限り >で >閉店致します。 <Our store is limited to the 31st of this month <so <it's permanently closing >2000年3月10日、東海道・山陽新幹線の食堂車がこの日限りで廃止された。 <On March 10, 2000, the dining car of the Tokaidō-Sanyō Shinkansen was discontinued for a period of time limited to just that day.

>>1127244 Actually the speaking part is true, okay, how about lock yourself in a room with an airgapped laptop and two terabytes of loli VNs, LNs, retro RPGs, and anime, using Yomichan and mining to Anki, and connect to the internet few times a week to chat with tutors on italki.

>>1139552 Pretty sure it's a mistranslation. Also 廃止 isn't a word you would use for something meant to be temporary.

Have you played this recently released hot Japanese indie game yet?

>>1142757 seems like you're mixing up を限りに/限りで(marks a pivotal point/deadline) with に限り(only for/limited to) >本日に限り全品20%引きです <Only for today, 20% off all products >この要綱は、令和5年3月31日を限りにその効力を失う。 <These guidelines will stop being effective as of March 3, 2023 (i.e. 3/31 something changes)

>>1142621 I do this with VN's / Dating sims when my character isn't voiced

Is reading/listening speed purely a function of time spent using the language or is there something else you have to do in order for it to "click"? I feel as if my reading speed is definitely better than it was let's say a year ago, but when I think of how I look over blocks of English text and it all just enters pretty much instantly, which doesn't seem to be different for Japanese if you git gud, I wonder how I could possibly get there. For listening which I struggle more with I've been trying to focus more on the sound of the words without having my brain try to understand them but this conversely leads to... not understanding the content. Also how does /日学ス/ view speaking? I've read learning to output early on gets you bad habits and I don't really intend to speak, at the same time I noticed if I try to think Japanese to myself I notice it's pretty slow and I wonder if it really might not help your overall learning along. All the other languages I've learned (albeit in different contexts and extents) had me speaking early on and it's not as if my Japanese will ever be perfect.

>>1144529 Not just time, but time multiplied by the quality of your practice. I'm at a level where I can tell I might plateau on JRPG baby garbage, because it's repetitive, limited vocab stuff. This I can skim through fairly easily now, but it's also easy to find harder stuff. >For listening which I struggle more with Same. I think the trick will be more transcription practice. I can gloss through basic audio, but trying to put the exact spoken words into text is much more challenging. >Also how does /日学ス/ view speaking? I think the only reasonable answer is to have a partner for language exchange. It's not really practice when you have no idea if what you're producing is correct.

I'm currently playing this game

Question, where will /jp/ make its new home? or rather, can we find a more general /jp/ related board anywhere? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-0lSiV-H7k unrelated, but did love live had revival of sorts? shit is popping up everywhere

Play pokemon and read yotsuba

>>1141856 As >>1142589 said, it's just a bullshit generator, but this is one of the rare usecases where this doesn't really matter since you just need something to keep the dialogue going. I use it for french primarily, and so far it's pretty convenient. You can even ask it to correct you, just keep in mind that it doesn't actually know what it's talking about, so its reasoning/answers can be wrong.

>>1148109 >see kanasoup game >feel irresistible urge to trace the moonrunes (状態／普通, 後) is this what they call autism?

>>1151267 Nah you just motivated. Keep it up. You missed keikenchi though

>>1151267 That's just academic curiosity, one of the traits that separates mediocrity from excellence. If you find the exercise useful, keep doing it.

>>1148109 What pokemon game would you recommend?

>>1156931 Something 4th or 5th gen.

>>1156931 Do you want to learn some kanji with furigana? Play Pokemon Colosseum & XD for Gamecube & Pokemon Battle Revolution for Wii.

>>1157900 >uses furigana >still writes shit like あそび方

>>1157900 How hard are the Yakuza games? Want to get into them, seems like a good opportunity

>>1159986 Only played zero, it's definitely more difficult than Pokemon but wasn't particularly bad if you're not a beginner. If I remember correctly, you can pause it anytime, so you can look up words you don't know easily.