Are Vivian and Bridget the chief victims of CURRENT YEAR?

No, it's not. Fuck off tranny.

>>8909 Can't speak for Bridget, but like or dislike Vivian, she was trans in the original game as well. You can read the original Japanese text. Anything to the contrary is not just cope, but outright refusal of reality. I have no idea why a culture war controversy kicked off when the remaster released, I remember that being common knowledge as far back as 2012.

>>8967 >but like or dislike Vivian, she was trans in the original game as well. I was under the impression that he's a crossdresser in the original game. Maybe now that we're a step further away from the crazies, we can look at the actual evidence again? I'm pretty sure at the time that the game released, "transgenderism", at least the modern western version of it, wasn't in the Japanese zeitgeist.

>>8967 >>9601 For me, he'll always be a boy with boobs.

>>9601 I think I'll reword my post to be a bit more objective about it. Forgive my autistic wall of text. Vivian is explicitly called an "otokonoko" in the original text. This could mean either "boy" (男の子) or "male crossdresser/trap/femboy" (男の娘). That's one of those things which is indeterminate because they didn't use Kanji. If you interpret that as 男の娘, the argument stops right there. 男の娘 characters are not trans, never have been. If you think it's 男の子, you could just leave it at that, or you can then make the argument that that's just referring to Vivian's biology, and that Vivian's gender, based on the fact that Vivian wants to be one of the "sisters" bad and dresses up femininely, is female. This could then be backed up by things like the 2nd pic, the whole "body of a man, heart of a woman" thing. This is again another indeterminate phrasing, it's been used by trannies IRL to describe themselves, and indeed if you Google that phrase "体は男　心は女" you will get a lot of LGBT articles in this day and age, but it's also been used in Japanese media for any kind of character who isn't gender conforming; okama (ESPECIALLY okama, 3rd pic as an example), otokonoko, trannies, etc. I think it's also important to note that I believe that particularly line was added in the remake and Vivian does not say anything like that in the original which further complicates things. I'm of the opinion that it's too indeterminate to say definitely one way or the other, and that it probably always will be because Nintendo generally wants to avoid getting too deep into politics in their games so they'll never "confirm" it. It's not the same thing as, say, Daisuke outright saying in an interview that Bridget's "correct pronoun is she", I'll avoid getting into that can of worms lol. I also don't think it particularly matters either way because the "joke" for Vivian's character was always "You thought this was a woman? Lol, actually it's a man!!" and that remains the same regardless of whether Vivian is a trap, tranny, okama, whatever. People need to learn to accept that not everything has a "right" answer sometimes and that not everything NEEDS to be explicit confirmed canon I'm right you're wrong you're le refusing reality!!, and that's fine, you can jack off to your Vivian tranny porn or Vivian trap porn all the same and keep on believing in whatever "canon" you think. Thank you for attending my TED talk.

>>9647 >This could mean either "boy" (男の子) or "male crossdresser/trap/femboy" (男の娘). >the whole "body of a man, heart of a woman" thing. This is again another indeterminate phrasing, it's been used by trannies IRL to describe themselves, and indeed if you Google that phrase "体は男　心は女" you will get a lot of LGBT articles in this day and age, but it's also been used in Japanese media for any kind of character who isn't gender conforming >I'm of the opinion that it's too indeterminate to say definitely one way or the other. ??? There is no case for Vivian being trans. This is almost as much of a stretch as labeling link or cloud trans. Trannies are very different from femboys, otokonoku, or other types of gender nonconformity, because only trannies push that there should be no difference between themselves and real women. That's why I think there should be a higher standard for deciding when a character is trans specifically. Unless a character directly states that they or trans or states the beliefs of trannies, they cannot be assumed or implied to be trans because being trans is defined by beliefs not lifestyle. Even a male character who takes estrogen and has breast implants doesn't have any actual grounds for being claimed by trannies because there are gay men who have done exactly that while still understanding that they are men. Also, the line "I have a boy's body, but my heart is a cute girl's." is something that inclines me to further that Vivian can't be trans. A tranny wouldn't admit "I have a boy's body". The defining belief of trannies is that "Since I have the heart of a girl, my body is a girl's."

>>8967 >You can read the original Japanese text. I can and have read the original text and he is not transgender. Everything relating to him being transgender was added in the remake. None of it is present in the original GameCube script. >>8909 I'd easily put them both in the Top 5.

>>10296 >I'd easily put them both in the Top 5. He probably wouldn't make the top 5 because nobody watched his anime, but I can't help but think that idol with the blue hair from zombieland saga that was completely uncontested when declared trans. I feel like there has to be more to the story, but I don't know because I don't care enough to actually watch zombieland saga.

>>10290 I was being generous about it because apparently according to the people who argue for tranny they DO admit that they have a boy's body. I've personally never seen nor known any tranny to admit this but I don't really go looking for it. You can probably tell I'm pretty biased toward one way but I will at least concede there's no definite "this completely disproves the argument" thing otherwise there wouldn't even be any argument at all.

>>10497 It's hard to give them any benefit of the doubt, since in practice gender ideology is just a series of motte and bailey falacies. Anyone still using the label has something wrong in their head. Even if they disavow all the worst parts of the "community", I'm not going to trust them until they call themselves anything else. It's absurd to argue under their terms, because then any male character that so much as looked at a skirt is actually a woman and heckin valid. Or worse, they'll claim female characters are "post op", and it's up to you to prove a character in an E rated game doesn't have a neo vagina. But that's enough getting angry about people that aren't in the room. Crossdressing boys will be cute no matter what they do, and Vivian is still one of my favorite characters.

>>10528 >Even if they disavow all the worst parts of the "community", I'm not going to trust them until they call themselves anything else. You wanna punish innocents for crimes of other people until they stop existing in a way you can perceive? That's nuts. >But that's enough getting angry about people that aren't in the room. picrel >>9647 Ngl, i feel like Vivian's arc works both for a transgirl and a trap, so i just dont really care about their gender, but i still can wrap my head about Daisuke deciding making Bridget trans was good idea taking in count his backstory

>>10770 I just want them to stop associating with and grouping themselves with the worst most disruptive retards of our generation. I suppose there is a world where everyone decides that being trans isn't about grooming kids, ignoring biology, and subverting women's rights by playing the language game and they all stop supporting that shit at once. I would stop being bothered by them if that happened. That's not realistically going to happen though, so anyone who doesn't stand for those things is better off picking a new label and new flag for their movement because it's radically different from what modern trannies are pushing. >but i still can wrap my head about Daisuke deciding making Bridget trans was good idea taking in count his backstory Have you played his game?

>>10296 >but i still can't wrap my head about Daisuke deciding making Bridget trans was a good idea taking into account his backstory Japanese naivete about the nature of western trannyism? 15 minutes of fame to finally get Guilty Gear public acclaim after decades in obscurity? Spite against being forced to bring Bridget back due to Japanese popularity polls? Take your pick.

>>10833 I think it's Daisuke being naive about western trannyism+being completely checked out on the series, so when the western branch came knocking saying "We need you to say this.", he bought whatever they sold him.