>>1473 >forced conscription of women and children Not to defend them, but that bit does not check out. Currently their big plan is to mobilize another 500.000 people, but it looks like that is the target number for the whole of 2024, with more of them mobilized in the first few months than in latter months. In addition, they ordered some 50.000 uniforms for women specifically, but there are no news about forcing females to march to the front (yet). In addition, there was a case of a barely 18 boy from an orphanage who lost his life on the frontline, but he was a volunteer. Of course, it is quite likely that he was fed an unhealthy diet of propaganda, but that is quite a normal affair in a war. Bonus: an Abrams was spotted close to the frontline, maybe we will see them in actual combat soon.

>>1473 >The site's going down Qrd? Also, where will streloks migrate to if cafe goes tits up?

>>1475 It's in the header. >Where will anons go? Not sleepychan, that's for sure. I'll go suck it up and use cakekike's site before giving that admin a single (You).

>>1475 I'll probably check in on zzz/k/ but to be honest I'm tired of how petty and stupid this board has gotten. Weapons discussion is borderline non-existent here anymore anyway, I talk more about guns with the people I shoot with every month than I do here in 3 months.

>>1477 The bunker as far as I know was made by one of the previous volunteers that left this site after having disagreements with the admin so if you're fine with it then sure. >>1476 You are insane but you do you. Have fun there.

>>1474 >Bonus: an Abrams was spotted close to the frontline, maybe we will see them in actual combat soon. The salt of one of those blowing up will be pretty good.

>>1476 There are a bunch of bunkers aside from sleepychan and kikechan, anonkun, why not go to /sp/, smugloli or plw?

>>1480 >/sp/ I'm already there. >smugloli I'm already there and they have made it clear on numerous occasions that they will not accept a /k/ board unless all current event threads are removed. >PLW I don't mind the admins there but the userbase is insufferable and would be constantly raiding a /k/ board.

>>1481 >plw >raiding anything The fuck are you talking about?

>>1481 The thing with PLW is I don't know if Loleron is still there and if he's willing to create more boards there. I'm also starting to think this is more suited in the meta thread than here.

>>1474 Why haven't the Abrams been committed to battle yet? Is it possible the Americans are putting pressure on the Ukrainians to not lose them like with the Leopard 2 and Chally 2? >>1477 I really miss 8chan's /k/ and I especially miss the Hungarian rifle grenade autist. >>1480 The administration on endchan is pretty good if someone wants to make a board there.

>>1483 He's still there. You can catch him either in the meta thread or his seasonal anime CyTube streams.

>>1481 >userbase is insufferable and would be constantly raiding a /k/ board What? There's fewer people there than here and there has never been raid threads there. If anything they get raided because loleron has all but abandoned the site outside of his shitty streams. Otherwise the handful of regular users don't seem bad to me.

>>1473 I am going to have some hearty chuckles if after all the trash talk, 8moe/k/ ends up being the most trafficked one.

>>1484 >Why haven't the Abrams been committed to battle yet? According to HistoryLegends, the Ukrainians were bitching and moaning that the tanks were gutted from the inside-out so they're basically just artillery pieces on tank tracks. One of the tanks allegedly didn't even have its radio set any more and at least 5 from the first batch had to be scrapped for repair parts for the others because they were in such poor condition.

>>1488 Are the US being that jewish when they have a literal parking lot of tanks to send to Ukraine?

>>1489 The Biden admin has proven itself incompetent at every corner when it comes to anything other than bussing in illegals, so it wouldn't surprise me. It also wouldn't surprise me if it was some contractor inbetween or some Ukrainian general who scrapped them for cash. It honestly wouldn't even surprise me if Ukraine was just outright lying at this point. However, I've seen enough incompetence in the government in recent years that I don't doubt it was option 1.

Russians are apparently droning buildings in Nikopol (the town across the river from the NPP).

>>1484 >I really miss 8chan's /k/ and I especially miss the Hungarian rifle grenade autist. Anon, I have been there since day one, and I post on a nearly daily basis.

>>1476 >>1477 Well, I'm gonna miss you guys, I'll probably stop going to image boards all together, maybe just occasionally browse trough /fit/,/sci/,/tv/ and /ic/ on cuckchan.

>>1493 It's ok bruh, you'll still have me

>>1474 >but there are no news about forcing females to march to the front No need, in post-Soviet Ukraine front march to them. >>1492 post rifle grenades or gtfo I don't make the rules >>1484 >I really miss 8chan's /k/ >>1493 >I'll probably stop going to image boards all together A recurring thought/observation: seems the age of image boards is coming to a close. I'm not writing a eulogy here as I'm sure chans will be around, much like "forums" off their peak in late 90s/00s, just regressing back to their humble obscure beginnings. Maybe it's for the better.

>>1493 >>1495 You can always shitpost with me: >>60490

so the site going down wasn't just a dream I had, kek.

>>1493 Please don't go Serb fren.

>>1494 :3 >>1495 >recurring thought/observation: seems the age of image boards is coming to a close So what's the next step? I doubt something like Telegram can fill such a niche that image boards can. 8chan might have had its flaws but goddam 8/k/ was comfy. >>1498 I'll probably hang around untill light is switched off at this place. After that...well... it's been honor shitposting with you anons.

It looks like there is some kind of deal going on between UK and Ukraine to put British soldiers in Ukraine.

>>1499 >So what's the next step? Like I said, too early for a eulogy, chans will be around. I'll probably take up >>1496 on his offer and see how that goes. >8chan might have had its flaws but goddam 8/k/ was comfy. Chans were comfy while irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, then from c. 2016 (US election) and things like >>59438 becoming trendy it got a little too real to ignore for the powers that be also a lot of boomers have retired or died since. Centrally hosted websites will always buckle under that kind of pressure, free speech has to be decentralized/distributed by nature and frankly image boards were never designed for that in the first place.

Switzerland has agreed to host a peace summit at the request of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. https://8chan.moe/news/res/191.html 'I confirmed that Switzerland is ready to organize the conference,' said Swiss President Viola Amherd >The leader of Ukraine arrived in Bern on Jan. 15 to meet with the country’s leaders and to attend the World Economic Forum’s gathering in Davos. His country has been at war with Russia since late February of 2022. >“I confirmed that Switzerland is ready to organize the conference,” said Swiss President Viola Amherd, per The Daily Mail. “We agreed that the details of the further approach will be looked into in depth in order to make this peace process a success.” >Amherd said Switzerland will “fight for long-lasting and just peace in Ukraine.” >“We would want the countries of the global south to be present, for sure, we would want China to be involved,” she said. >At the press conference, Zelensky said he wants “all countries that respect [Ukraine’s] sovereignty and territorial integrity” to be involved in the gathering when asked if Russian officials would be invited to the summit. >“We would like the Global South to be present,” he said, adding that he would like China to be involved, per Barron’s. “It is important for us to show that the whole world is against Russia's aggression, and the whole world is for a just peace.” >In a separate statement on X, Zelensky vowed to “discuss the return of Ukrainian children stolen by Russia, sanctions, ways to use frozen Russian assets, humanitarian mine clearing, financial assistance, and recovery.” >“I believe that Switzerland's participation in the Peace Formula, as well as its relevant experience, can help bring our vision of just peace closer,” he wrote. >As the second anniversary of the Ukraine-Russia conflict approaches, Zelensky is hoping to reignite support for his country. He promised that at least one million drones would be built and predicted the increased use of F-16 fighter jets during his New Year’s address. >“Next year, the enemy will feel the wrath of domestic production,” he said, per the BBC. >According to Foreign Affairs, “both Moscow and Kyiv are in a race to rebuild offensive combat power… While the first half of 2024 may bring few changes in control of Ukrainian territory, the materiel, personnel training, and casualties that each side accrues in the next few months will determine the long-term trajectory of the conflict.” >“The West in fact faces a crucial choice right now: support Ukraine so that its leaders can defend their territory and prepare for a 2025 offensive or cede an irrecoverable advantage to Russia,” the publication noted. >The United States Department of Defense announced on Dec. 27 it would supply Ukraine with a new security assistance package valued at approximately $250 million. >“The package includes air defense capabilities, artillery and antitank weapons and other equipment to help Ukraine in its continued fight to counter Russia's unprovoked invasion,” the D.O.D. stated in a press release. “The latest round of assistance marks the 54th drawdown of military equipment for Ukraine from DOD inventories since August 2021.”

>>1503 >2025 offensive lol

>>1503 >“We would want the countries of the global south to be present, for sure eh? Other than potential access to grain gibs, why would the browns care?

>>1505 An attempted onboarding by the third worldists of everyone, south of the equator, onto a coalition against the western hegemony.

>>1505 They want bantus to repopulate Ukraine and give them easier access to Poland.

>>1503 Is russia invited or is it just like last time? Like, I dont think negotiations are possible without both sides of the conflict. >>1507 Poles are already niggers .

>>1505 The global south is "upset" with Russia, but they're so angry at the Western overreaction that fucked up global trade that they've for all intents and purposes sided with Russia. Document leaks are suggesting Germany is preparing for WWIII right now haven't read the articles but that's what the headlines say so this is probably part of NATO consolidation to force countries to say "you're with us or against us." >>1508 Russia is explicitly not invited, so it's all meaningless. Ukraine is begging to suck Chinese dick because they need that motor industry back, but I doubt China will do much more than send an official delegation in order to humiliate Ukraine/Switzerland when they push the issue.

>>1509 >Russia is explicitly not invited lol wut? >The Swiss president underlined that the country will 'fight for long-lasting and just peace in Ukraine.' >Zelensky added: 'We are open to all countries that respect our sovereignty and territorial integrity at the peace summit.' >It is understood that Russia will not be invited to the conference. lmao, another circlejerk for gibs - business as usual. for a second I was worried about the global fuel supply for happening threads

>>1503 >>1508 >>1509 >peace summit to end a war >one of the two belligerents in said war is forbidden to come Why would anyone show up to this?

>Russians very likely lost an A-50 AWACS over the Black Sea, either to friendly fire or Ukrainan SAM, IL-22 is confirmed to be damaged but limped back home. >Gonzalo Lira finally managed to taunt Ukrainians enough and got suicided by Ukrainan intelligence agents while in his cell. >Russians allegedly used around 2-3 million domestic artillery shells in 2023, another 1 million shells has been allegedly purchased from Norks >Positional battles continue around the front line, small gains on both sides, Russians seem to be fairing slightly better because UAF in still recovering from the failed Summer offensive. Either way,no side is able to wrestle clear advantage. >France is transferring another 40 SCALP long range cruise missiles to Ukraine >There has been increased talk about F16 batch being donated to Ukraine, some Ukrainan pilots already went trough F16 training. >Both sides are proping up their domestic military production in anticipation of a prolonged war.

Biden moves to seize Russian assets to funnel cash to Ukraine https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-moves-to-seize-russian-assets-to-funnel-cash-to-ukraine https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/u-s-partners-explore-seizing-russian-assets-to-back-loans-to-ukraine-f03241f4 Schumer will not act to secure US border until GOP funds Ukraine war https://thepostmillennial.com/schumer-will-not-act-to-secure-us-border-until-gop-funds-ukraine-war

>>1503 >We would like the Global South to be present "Global South" is an almost derogatory term. It's one step away from "the Poverty Belt". There's no way China would attend a summit except as a spoiler. >prepare for a 2025 offensive or cede an irrecoverable advantage to Russia He once again proves how he's assblasted that Israel is taking all the attention and funds away from his black hole of a nation as the world realigns to make it irrelevant. If the ruling party changes in America, peace talks will open almost immediately. If he bites the hand that feeds him and refuses to play along with whatever deal is made between the US and Russia, he'll be thrown in a shredder like a male chick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sB943eRENs Neat footage of a T-90 versus 2 Bradleys, long video and pretty intense to watch. T-90 fails to hit the IFVs, 25mm auto cannons fail to penetrate armor but manage to disable the tank, crew allegedly survived

>>1474 > barely 18 boy from an orphanage who lost his life on the frontline, but he was a volunteer. Of course, it is quite likely that he was fed an unhealthy diet of propaganda, but that is quite a normal affair in a war. Or fed an unhealthy diet of orphanage food and figured he may live longer on the frontline, or at least will die with full stomach? >>1489 >>1490 Either or both. Who knows? Goods were send from someone who had a golden opportunity to scrap old stuff at full price, to someone who has a habit of selling missiles on black market in war time. It would be surprising if shit like that did not happen.

>>1513 >Schumer will not act to secure US border until GOP funds Ukraine war Biden is starting to pay lip service to securing the border, but it's just election year bullshit- It would be funny if he fired that Sephardi "Cuban" guy to sell the lie. We've all seen how this shit typically plays out, I'd put money on Ukraine gibs going through and zero meaningful border security. The corporate class and the defense industry are going to get exactly what they want.

>>1517 Actually it gets even better. Mexico's president is demanding American citizenship for 10 million illegals, an end to the Cuban blockade, an end to Venezuelan sanctions, and a $20 billion dollar bribe in exchange for dealing with the illegal immigrant problem on their side of the border. The Biden admin's response was "sounds good!"

The OP is lowkey retarded, I see

So for the /k/ommandos who are interested in the war in Ukraine but who have been unable to find out much because of the shills that took over /k/ in 2022, what are some good sources of information to get caught up on the last 3 years of war?

>>12282 Unironically the kiwifarms threads for both the Ukrainian and Russian side are decent for getting both perspectives

>>12288 That's a good start, although I was hoping for a neutral third party source rather than just getting both biased perspectives.

>>12289 >Neutral third party perspectives Man I fucking wish. Like 90% of the news that comes out is from either state media or social media; the closest thing to a neutral third party perspective is mutual skepticism of (potentially) biased sources.

>>12744 >the closest thing to a neutral third party perspective is mutual skepticism of (potentially) biased source Is there something like that? Like some site that aggregates claims from both sides and tries to verify them using open source information?

>>12289 >>12755 >Is there something like that? Like some site that aggregates claims from both sides and tries to verify them using open source information? Not that I know of. There's a glut of resources for reports from the Ukrainian side but not nearly as many for the Russian side and while both of them tend to be biased there are many more reputable sources for information (especially in English) from the Ukranian side. For example, obviously the Bongistan MoD has its own biases but they also have a good reputation for putting out the facts as they stand with minimal drama while third-party sources from the Russian side are generally "trust me bro" randoms on social media and/or Kremlin cocksleeves like RT and Sputnik.

>>12755 >Is there something like that https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates This mostly fits the bill

>>12790 lol >>12791 double lol Both of these have proven to be either grossly incompetent, or just trying to push an agenda. Not any sort od valid source of info.

>>12790 >while both of them tend to be biased there are many more reputable sources for information (especially in English) from the Ukranian side. The frustrating thing is that seeing past those biases would be much easier if I had was already up to date on what is going on. As it stands figuring out what is going on purely from the biased sources is really difficult. >>12791 I read some of their stuff a few days ago while trying to catch up when I realized 4chan probably isn't coming back for a long time, and I got the distinct impression that the ISW isn't a very neutral source at all, and some of the things they said didn't gel with what little I think I've pieced together so far. Like I saw them claim that if Ukraine keeps being provided with aid that they can keep launching offensives, and that eventually one will manage to make a breakthrough, restore maneuver, and win the war for them. That doesn't really line up with what I've been able to gather elsewhere for a number of reasons.

>>12806 One English source who is nominally pro-Ukraine, but otherwise not afraid to rail against other pro-Ukrainians for their bullshit is a Youtuber called WillyOAM. It's actually pretty sad to consider that a random nobody on Youtube has better analytical capabilities than a supposed think-tank and a literal intel agency.

>>12809 >WillyOAM I'll check him out, I also noticed there are some things linked in the previous russo-ukraine war thread and earlier in this one that I am going to investigate as possible sources of information.

>>12744 Pretty much this. The mark of good intelligence is being able to read between the lines and correlate information from a wide verity of sources. There are some good OSINT communities that provide a wealth of information but one must remember to separate your personal biases and desires in the pursuit of raw information.

>>12896 It's also a sign of intelligence to check and make sure that hard work is actually necessary before starting in on a difficult task. >There are some good OSINT communities that provide a wealth of information Mind pointing me towards some?

Not that guy, but you'll have to sift through stuff and decide for yourself what level of bias you can handle. Personally, I can't fucking stand fake analysts like ISW and prefer to just judge what's happening by the news from the front, so I like to check some of the daily map aggregators on Youtube to see changes and compare them with the footage to see the magnitude of what's going on.

>>13203 Can you suggest some map aggregators and good sources of footage from the front? I can work with that level of information too. Also describing ISW as being fake analysts feels pretty apt from the few articles of theirs I read.

>>12805 >UK based update lmao worthless trash, discarded. >sars no very good sars nope :)

>>13205 For good fresh sources of footage, you have to go to Telegram. Though it's enough to have one or two good channels per side because a lot of them repost footage. For map updates, Suriyak is the de-facto most accurate mapper, followed by Deep State. Deep State is more convenient because the interface allows for straight comparison between days, while Suriyak just colors the map each day. If you want a Youtuber to walk you through the situation, Military Summary for instance is a Russian tinted one while Denys Davydov is a Ukrainian tinted one. There's others of course, you can probably find them yourself.

So do what do you guys think about the strategic situation in the war currently for both sides? Also what do you think victory would look like for each of them, and how are they going about trying to achieve it?

>>13335 >ukraine Seems like they are just trying to delay and do small counterattacks wherever they can mostly sticking to the drone from what I can tell. They want everything back or if I were them just give the two separatist regions up and immediately start recovering. Mostly trying to a diplomatic angle but with the current US administration it’s an extremely hard sell >Russia Seems to want everyone to think they’re trying to negotiate while simultaneously ignoring everything. If Russia wants to win in some capacity I would just stop now and take what you have and quit trying to take everything. They’re tactics are not what I would call smart manpower wise and I’ve seen some dissent but most come ukie sources so grain of salt with that. Keep in my mind that this is all I’ve been able to really see so I could be entirely wrong

>>13342 >their Fuck I can’t into grammar anymore

>>13335 I wont speak to victory conditions much because I think alot can change, but generally it seems like Russia will probably end up eating a chunk out of Ukraine and Ukraine will be reduced to a buffer state no matter what they want >Russia has been memed pretty hard by the US using Ukrainians as effective speedbumps for them by supplying them with gear. The results have been defanging the Russian military from realistically being able to touch Europe, not that I think they had plans for that any time soon anyways. Regardless of how their material has been depleted, Russia has shifted into the infinite manpower glitch strategy and are just employing random brown people to run into machinegun fire. This isnt the own you may think it is, as this basically means Russia can stay in the fight for however long they like without really feeling the negatives of it anymore, although aggressive breakthroughs probably wont happen as much with these infinite 3rd worlders they are employing. The war is really theirs to win, as long as they want to be there. Ukraine cant really push them out, and them simply being there gives them alot of negotiating power with the puppetmasters of Ukraine. In the end they will probably get the W, pyrrhic or not >Ukraine not much to say other than they are fucked no matter what. They dont have a realistic win-state outside of a peace deal being struck and Russia simply stopping their slow advance. Their Kursk offensive is a meme performed by pseudo-rogue elements of their military that are running parts of it like private warbands, and strategically is a waste of time. The real major problem for them is manpower. As stated above, Russia has activated the infinite manpower glitch meanwhile Ukraine cant afford any of its losses, mercenaries or not. Furthermore, even if Ukraine somehow "won" they are demographically fucked for the next couple hundred years. They will need to avoid conflict for several hundred years and play everything smart if they every want Ukraine to be filled with ethnic(Russians with a different name lmao) Ukrainians of a healthy number again. Best thing for them now, despite them not wanting this, would be to strike up a peace deal and cool off for a bit and make some smart decisions. They also probably should sack Zelensky, but I think foreign entities will take care of him sooner than later, the outlook is grim for him I think Note that I say all of this couched in the firm opinion that I wish this entire conflict didnt happen. Not to say that I dont think some aspects of it were justified, there are wider geopolitical games at play here that forced Russia's hand, but I wish that the conflict ended only a couple weeks in vs what we have now which is a slow grinding war that is taking the lives of to many brothers. We are WELL past the point that we should be sueing for peace. Alas, the US wants to deplete Russia's military supplies

>>13352 Not trying to argue about ethnicity a lot but I can see a difference in the two since this war started. I use the US and UK as an example because both speak English but their own forms of it. Both can understand each other but have different dialects were certain stuff just doesn’t translate. It’s helped me understand why they don’t see each other as, in lack of better words, brothers. Sorry for the tangent but I thought I’d just mention it. Some YouTubers from Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine showed me this difference and if you want look at them I’ll gladly give some links

>>13358 Nah I know what you mean anon, I just find it ridiculous on the basis of history. Ukraine hasnt been its own country for long and I think the sentiment is largely astroturfed even over there. The Ukraine has historically been just another region with Russia for virtually all of history. The difference between the two I'm sure is as significant as southerners vs yankees in the US where there is certainly a difference, but imo it's still largely a meme difference. Although I reckon we could probably go back and forth on this and never truly see each other point so we could just agree to disagree on it, especially when I know plenty of actual Ukrainians would disagree with me till they are blue in the face. Historically I just don't see it lol. It doesn't really matter much now though

>>13360 Ehh history wise it’s kinda of he said she said thing with the Rus and Slavs. While I’m in the camp of the Kievan Rus being the main one which btw isn’t exactly Ukraine and isn’t exactly not like I said bunch of conjecture on it. I just feel like a kinda patriotic version of Russia took the Muscovite view of the Rus and mostly ignore the complicated history of the Rus in general. Like they barely mention Novgorod except when Nevsky is involved. As for the country thing while true it’s more of that he said she said argument. Anyway glad for the calm discussion more than I’ve gotten when I usually have a history talk

>>13360 Regardless of the historicity of the claims I do think most Ukies view themselves as different from Ruskies, but if you ask me they should have been asserting they have a separate cultural identity decades ago. Though I'm sure that was the least of the concern given that the 90's in Eastern Europe can be described charitably as a dumpster fire, that and the fact that up until their color revolution they had governments that were buttbuddies with Russia. But then again there's a reason Russia has been able to claim Luhansk, Donetsk, etc. It's because the people there had legitimate grievances with the Ukrainian government. I don't believe a single goddamn thing that comes out of Russia's mouths about how much everyone there really really really wants to trade one shithole for another shithole, but there is a sentiment there that Kyiv basically abandoned them. Ideally either those parts of Ukraine would have stayed part of Russia to begin with, or the Ukrainian administration could have done more to make Ukraine less of a shithole, but here we are. I am on Ukraine's side in this, as if my opinion matters lmao, and I hope they come out of this shit better than were. I know my history too well to expect that, but I'm gonna hope and pray. War fucking sucks, you know? Politics by other means.

>>13379 I’m mostly just glad the eternal drone of screaming demonbabies is gone and we can just talk normally about the subject at all.