>>9073 His source was redditors Wow leftists are so smart Keep sucking that tranny dick karl

All I see is that he had a corrupt inept judge and that is why he lost That other guy killed himself did it because of the cheater

What I got from this is that Karl is not really a bad guy, he's just a giant fucking loser like Billy is. Except Billy has more money lmao. I hope this is the nail in the coffin for the speedrunning and highscore community overall tbh, all the loudest voices in it are insane egotistical manchildren. >>9283 Eh most babies are kinda ugly.

>>10376 You're not fooling anyone, Karl.

>>9073 karl jobber's debt should be around 1.5kk usd in total <~500k for his lawyer's fees <another ~500k for billy's lawyer's fees <~500k for the damages any chance the appeal bumps it up to 2kk?

>>9073 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNynxWZK30A

>>9073 KWAB

>>10666 >As if I could drop everything needs to be address irl and quickly make a video because you feel entitled to one That's what he was doing for years when he wasn't taking the case seriously. Then he got utterly BTFO and now he has to spend 2 weeks running his damage control video by his lawyers because he plans to appeal (he will lose). Also, he might as well get a head start on the massive debt he owes to the KING.

>>9073 Who am i supposed to be rooting for? i never paid attention to the Billy Mitchell thing. Was he really a cheater or not?

>>10767 He absolutely was a cheater. But. The speedrunners who tried to ruin him over it, Apollo Legend and Karl Jobst, went too far with their delusions about how punishable cheating in a video game should be. Apollo Legend spoke of him as the antichrist until he got sued by Billy and lost. When he lost, Karl's friend group immediately backstabbed him and harassed him. When Apollo ACKed, he even listed Karl's friend group in his suicide note for giving him 'The push he needed' to do it. Now, Karl did basically the same thing as Apollo except he did something extra stupid: He blamed Apollo ACKing on Billy despite the fact his note said the exact opposite. This all boils down to people who have lived their lives for getting the fastest time in a video game not realizing that cheating at speedrunning isn't a federal or even civil offense. But trying to ruin someone over it is absolutely a civil offense. In short, the tl;dr for speedrunning drama is always: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56N17d4WnM&t=30s

>>10767 He played on MAME instead of the original arcade hardware so he's a cheater according to trannies and groomers.

>>10795 I mean MAME does actually have all sorts of tools that be built into specific builds to cheat. I'd maybe root for Jobst as a fellow aussie, but since he lost he also made Australia look like a disgrace. It's poor form and we may need to banish him and ship him off now for losing. And if Jobst is to believed here that Billy had such a shit case against him, it's because he got bad legal advice about how to structure his case and the judge overlooked everything simply due to bad conduct.

>>10767 >>10782 Billy probably may have allegedly cheated. The issue clouded. He's clearly capable of Donging the Kong at top level but his official runs weren't vetted properly, or something. There's no way to actually prove he did, unlike say the Dragster guy who claimed times that were impossible on a vanilla cartridge on vanilla hardware, short of a magic neutrino or some shit.

>>9483 > Your case can't get any more fucked than what it already is. I heard if he gets unlikely he could end up paying more if billy or the court wanted him to if the appeal goes to shit

>>10850 The problem is that Karl is a fucktard. He went after a guy that has a big ego and is notoriously sue happy for something that's largely meaningless and no one cares that deeply about except other speedrunning autists. And I could say the same things about Apollo before him.

>>10767 Here, let me tell you what to think (WARNING: HIGH EFFORT POST): Billy leans too hard into being a heel and is a butthurt litigious jackass. He very likely did the things he was accused of for cheating. But cheating a video game high score decades ago is not that big of a deal, and no one would really care if there wasn't an entire movie where he was established a reputation as a villain. A movie that probably motivated the dedicated cadre of e-celebs (including Karl) to collaborate to boost their YouTube channels by exposing old video game high score boomers like him and his friends. He also has an actual life outside of video games running a restaurant and hot sauce brand that doesn't depend on milking e-drama. Karl is an unlikeable faggot who is a borderline lolcow himself. He has a history of being a PUA and years of forum and Discord posts where he comes off as an ABSOLUTE RETARD. Settled for an Asian wife and made his son's life a living hell by giving him a retarded name and making sure everyone knows his dad is a dumbass who publicly tempted fate and is now hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. Has a career centered around a YouTube channel where he EXPOSES video game cheaters in a smarmy way and is one step removed from a full blown drama slop channel in the vein of Asmongold or Crit1kal. It sounds like I'm just shitting on Karl compared to Billy, but understanding his and Billy's character is essential to why each party in the suit acted the way they did. Billy is a dickhead and regularly files SLAPP suits against people who slight him in the most minimal way, but in this case he was completely correct. Billy's lawsuit was never about suing over claims of cheating, it was always solely about Karl's claim that he contributed to Apollo Legend's suicide by filing a lawsuit against him. Despite being a thin skinned bitch, Billy has years of legal experience by this point and learned from his previous failures by acting professionally in and out of court. He never discussed details about the case publicly or took potshots against Karl during litigation. He concisely articulated how Karl consistently made the false claim that he caused Apollo Legend's suicide and used Karl's own videos as evidence of the harm to his reputation. Billy's lawyer was also a Queen's Counsel, which is a fancy title meaning they were hot shit and a respected senior lawyer. On the opposite end, Karl constantly made videos while the case was still active, where he claimed he had a guaranteed win. Karl spent almost 4 years misrepresenting the case as centered around cheating and leveraged this to beg for money to help fund his second lawyer. Despite being in active litigation for a DEFAMATION, he continued to make videos insulting Billy without even running them by a lawyer because, "fuck letting other people tell you what to do." These same videos ended up influencing the judge's sentencing to award even more money to Billy. He got Notch, the creator of Minecraft, to completely fund his first lawyer, but fired him when he was told that he wouldn't win and should settle. He then paid for a yes man lawyer who never tard wrangled him and intentionally overcharged him for legal fees, which was even called out specifically by the judge. He did this because he thought he had a surefire win and that Billy would pay for all of it. His defense was a shitshow centered around the cheating, meaning he didn't understand what the case was even about. He even used a completely unserious video of Crit1kal farting as evidence in court. Billy is a dick but Karl is such a humongous faggot that I can't fathom why anyone would side with him or disagree with the court's ruling.

>>10905 What the fuck, that's not real. No way, no how. God what a mess.

>>10577 It can in Australia. If the judge in the appeal thinks the fine was actually too low he can just bump it up.

>>9073 At this rate the appeals judge would be demanding Billy and his wife to serve as slaves to Billy Mitchell as payment.

>>10905 >fuck letting other people tell you what to do chad mindset

>>10984 It's real. Heck, I'll even counter some of the points he makes in his damage control video: >I didn't accuse Billy of causing Apollo Legend's death, I just said a bunch of sequential events with no causal conjunctions like "because" between them Retarded semantics, everyone knew what he was trying to imply, he's not a fucking mafia don. >I issued a retraction about the claim that Apollo's settlement involved payment hidden at the end of a completely unrelated 30 minute video, this is acceptable cause most people saw it He should know from his own analytics that a significant fraction of people don't watch to the end of the video and there is no indication from the topic of the video (about a fucking Souls series no-hit run) to the description that it would contain such a statement. >I didn't lie about what the case was about, the media did, I just didn't correct them because it could have hurt the case and I assumed everyone watched my videos and didn't want to repeat myself He publicly expressed that he doesn't give a shit if he puts out a video without lawyer approval, regardless of if it contains something that might harm the case. He said he got confused because he got multiple notices for defamation. So why wouldn't you correct the media and your fans on what the case was about when it was clear that the only defamation case moving to trial would be the one based on the suicide claim? Following legal cases is already long and confusing enough and this dragged on for almost 4 years. Of course people were going to forget and new people following the case wouldn't have any context. >The judge was unfair because he took Billy's word at face value He didn't do it at face value, there are pages of court documents that analyze specific videos and quotes. He sided with Billy over Karl because the judge correctly assessed his character as "self-aggrandizing" and stubborn and his attitude towards Billy as malicious. >The GoFundMe wasn't a scam, I actually did use it on legal fees even if they weren't what were in the description Notice that he doesn't mention anything at all about how he switched lawyers after firing his old one paid by Notch. The legal fees he is referring to are likely to pay the second lawyer who was a complete retard that the judge literally called out for excessively charging money. Billy was suing for 400k, Karl got an estimate for 200k from his second lawyer and ended up paying 600 THOUSAND DOLLARYDOOS to his second lawyer alone. He got completely scammed. Just go through these court documents and you'll see what an utter retard Karl made of himself: >Original defamation claim made by Billy: https://kiwifarms.st/attachments/202109200917-pdf.7229214/ >Security and costs document (you can clearly see how Karl's retard lawyer is estimating 200k total for his services initially and Billy's lawyer is estimating half that for his) https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2022/218 >Judgment https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2025/41

This fucking retarded eceleb drama combined with 4chan dying made me realize just how little of a genuine fuck I give about anything that happens on the internet. I am legitimately retarded for ever thinking the internet was a window into anything of value or worth to the human experience. I participate only out of self destructive habit. Is this what life is? I can't ever get this time back. What the hell was it for? Why did I read every document, every comment, watch every video, check every social media page? I don't even care about these people, I didn't even know who these fucks were and I'll forget it all in a week to chase after the next mindless drama. This is hell. Unironically this is hell.

>>11766 Reminder: You're here forever

>>11766 Because it's funny to see someone so full of hubris lose everything.

<hapa <son of a youtardtuber <dad outed as an utter retard <1.5-2 millions of dollars in debt, depending on the time MAXIMUS WONG what the fuck did he do in his past life?

>>9086 Video game records are records like anything else. Billy using MAME is no different from baseball players using non-regulation bats. >>9306 That's really Jewish. Bench trials should be illegal. >nooo you can't shit talk the legal crybully with an already ruined reputation! >>10767 >>10795 Billy Mitchel used MAME and a non regulation 8 position joystick to get his donkey kong world record. MAME is very important because it's an emulator. The Donkey Kong community agrees that MAME is much easier to play than real hardware. Forum thread from 2013 discussing MAME being easier than real hardware. https://archive.is/wip/FVNhk The reason it's easier to play an emulator should be obvious. Faster CPU, more memory, faster I/O polling rates. You can react faster and have lower chances of missed inputs (you press the button and nothing happens.) Do I think Billy used software cheats? Probably not. MAME alone is enough of an advantage to disqualify him. >>10871 You're wrong. There is 100% definitive proof he cheated. Picrel shows arcade hardware vs MAME emulator loading screens. He always used MAME. He used a modified 8 position joystick and not the 4 position one. Billy is disqualified and it isn't debatable. >>10905 I don't think defaming someone who lied about a world record, used the legal system as a club, then rewarding him is a good legal president. A proper judgement would be a few thousand dollars, lawyers fees, and public apology.

>>12100 Billy was seeking 400k dollarydoos at most, but Karl's behavior during the trial was so repulsive to the judge that he awarded him the maximum amount + interest. Not to mention, Karl's legal fees were incredibly excessive at 600k and surpassed the maximum damages Billy was seeking in the first place by 200k. Like the judge said, it was obvious he was fighting the case so he could be the one to "slay the dragon". There was no "proper judgement", the optimal outcome would have been for Karl to not be retarded and take a settlement. Even if Billy's lawsuit was frivolous, the things you listed, minus the lawyer's fees, would have been all a settlement would amount to. Instead he risked taking it to trial and lost everything and MORE.

>>12100 Did you forget the part where the judge said; I WAS NOT HERE TO DECIDE, NOR DID I DECIDE, WHETHER HE CHEATED Retard, the ENTIRE FUCKING CASE was about Karl saying Billy caused Apollo to kill himself.

>>12100 >Billy Mitchel used MAME and a non regulation 8 position joystick to get his donkey kong world record. MAME is very important because it's an emulator. The Donkey Kong community agrees that MAME is much easier to play than real hardware. Forum thread from 2013 discussing MAME being easier than real hardware. >https://archive.is/wip/FVNhk >The reason it's easier to play an emulator should be obvious. Faster CPU, more memory, faster I/O polling rates. You can react faster and have lower chances of missed inputs (you press the button and nothing happens.) >Do I think Billy used software cheats? Probably not. MAME alone is enough of an advantage to disqualify him. >10871 You're wrong. There is 100% definitive proof he cheated. Picrel shows arcade hardware vs MAME emulator loading screens. He always used MAME. He used a modified 8 position joystick and not the 4 position one. Billy is disqualified and it isn't debatable. Having a run invalidated isn't the same as cheating. At most they should have done what they usually done in these speedrunning places. Break the different types of runs and runs on different hardware into their own categories. The Speedweed community is way too ready to declare people to be cheaters. It's like that dream guy and his Minecraft run. He didn't cheat, he fucked up because he's not really a speedrunner and most of his content was doing Minecraft entertainment stuff. But the speedrunning cheater sleuth squad was so ready to jump on him that he immediately went to defend himself without having a moment to think to himself "Wait did I triple check if I had all my mods disabled from my autistic youtube bullshit?" I blame shitters like Apollo, Karl, and even Critical for this "gotcha clout" farming on youtube and elsewhere.

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>>12072 He cheated at Donkey Kong and Pac-Man.

>>10871 You doubt the human element?

>>12284 >he believes dream dindu nuffim and just made an oopsie managing his mods There's a certain level of gullible, and then there's you just eating it up.

>>12155 >Billy was seeking 400k dollarydoos at most It was 50k. The 400k was what the judge fined Karl for in the end, even saying that Billy could've easily demanded more for the proven damages Karl caused him. And now somehow Karl wants to appeal it, Australian appeals can up the fine when he loses again.