>>2180 >sincerely benevolent Where do you fall on the problem of Evil question? Is it enough to simply not be actively evil, or is deliberately choosing to do less than you are capable of disqualifying?

>>2180 The God of Unsong created every universe in which there is more good than evil, unfortunate for those worlds that only even out to a net positive in the very long run but still he's a good guy at the end of the day.

>>2188 What happened to Argos in TC is so ambiguous that you can claim anything happened there and it may as well be true, especially since it was most likely included for the sake of being a weird anecdote to the timeline. It could be anything from Argos being a city of so many true believers that God simply ushered them away from Earth and the war, to the city being on the cusp of falling and opening a new Hellgate or allowing Hell to establish a new permanent beach-head that God simply deleted it before they got the chance. It ultimately does not contradict the fact that TC God has proven genuinely benign in all of its confirmed interactions with mankind - with its biggest offense simply being that it's too alien to safely communicate with humanity. The Iron Sultanate got their wall protecting them from the worst of Hell's advances thanks to God personally, the Synod divine the future thanks to communing with God (which has horrifying consequences, but that's due to the fact mortals are not meant to hear the voice of God), it grants tangible blessings and protections to people, etc.

>>2185 >Make The Exorcist Fall In Love Haven't read it; is it any good? >Dresden Files >In Nomine Yeah, those check out I suppose. >>2187 >The Light Absolutely counts as benevolent, but not sure if they count as capital G God. Isn't that one in particular more like Mankind's collective tulpa raging against the Iron Crown and winning through sheer HOPE power? >The Fireman Don't know anything about Twin Peaks; elaborate? >The Grace The fact that Doctor Who has a God at all surprises me-what are they like? >Sugar Swan I still need someone to explain what the whole thing with Cookie Run is. >Trench Crusade What's that? >>2189 Deliberately doing less than you're capable of for various reasons is fine; looking at the concept of "tzimtzum" in kabbalah God basically withdrew his essence from existence specifically so something "other than God" could exist. A God who actively chooses to not be omniscient/omnipotent would therefore make a certain degree of sense. For example: if God is all knowing, then free will doesn't exist and all existence is just him play-acting to himself. Therefore it would make sense that a benevolent God would NOT be omniscient, or at least actively choose to refrain from exercising that power. Being actively malicious or making people suffer is where I draw the line, though. If God actively creates demons or "tests" mankind through various forms of suffering, or puts mankind through "lessons" for the sake of "growth", then that's not a benevolent God. A God who smites evil and protects his flock is 100% okay, even if it's against other humans who he would theoretically love just the same. A God who smites unbelievers and curses random people for generations because they didn't eat food the correct way is a cruel and evil God. >>2190 He counts too; I actually gave (some of) Unsong a read a while back and I'd definitely say that God is something of a good guy there.

Does Stupid_Dog know about the bunker? He's inconsistently active but it would suck to lose him.

>>2192 >Absolutely counts as benevolent, but not sure if they count as capital G God. Isn't that one in particular more like Mankind's collective tulpa raging against the Iron Crown and winning through sheer HOPE power? Yes, but I'd say they count if the Master from ActRaiser counts. >Don't know anything about Twin Peaks; elaborate? Basically he's Lynch's take on what the fundamental animating essence of goodness in reality is, alongside his consort/divine feminine, Senorita Dido. Their overall presence is outright called "God Energy" at one point even. >The fact that Doctor Who has a God at all surprises me-what are they like? They're the greater/greatest of the Great Old Ones in the setting and the ones who write the paychecks of the Guardians of Time, who themselves act collectively under their authority when joined as the Six-Fold God. They are described as inherently nice and benign, being outright called "peaceful". They act to hold all existence together and step in when it's on the brink of falling apart, can be called up by normal people under certain circumstances to assist them, can and will hand out complete immortality and the ability to go anywhere and anywhen to those same people, and will descend to resolve cosmic disputes that are brought ot their attention if they're a big enough problem. They technically aren't the absolute power due to The Glory existing - but since they're the highest things with actual minds, they automatically fill the God position by default. >I still need someone to explain what the whole thing with Cookie Run is. That would require a whole other post I'm afraid. >What's that? Grimdark setting in the general period of WWI where the Templars fucked up several hundred years ago in Jerusalem and unsealed a literal Hellgate which has caused Hell to spill over and invade the material realm. Now all of the Faithful (mostly) rally together in the fight to save Creation from annihilation.

>>2193 He does but doesn't want to join in.

>>2195 Sad but fair I suppose, at least he knows /jc/ isn't fully dead.

>>2191 I'm just going to headcanon that it was an anti-mosquito Flower Rite.

Morning anons, happy easter.

>>2198 Mornin', and a happy Extra Life day to you as well.

>>2187 Just caught up. Oh hell, Father-kun really is the actual spawn of Lucifer or something isn't he? >>2192 >is it any good? ...hmm. It takes a while to get good, and that even when it does, it's not exactly highbrow literature. But that given what it aspires for, it executes a shounen tournament-style battle between good and evil surprisingly well and with decent nuance given to all parties while still having some irredeemable monsters as well as valid reasons for why demons should be seen as, well, demons. It's an interesting study where the main character is genuinely overpowered, but the main villains are both competitive with him and his worldview is so stunted that much of the suspense comes from wondering when this ticking time bomb of a small traumatised child is going to explode. Also fights are fuckin' sick but the buildup to them is great too. When exactly it gets good is a matter of debate. For me, it was Beelzebub. I suspect you (and most anons here) would be won over as early as the Leviathan arc, though. >>2192 Apart from what Argent said, in the main story of Twin Peaks he's the guy who gives the protagonist the clues to stopping the evil spirits (and there's some debate about whether or not they're more than that, but the simplest way to understand the supernatural entities of Twin Peaks is "spirits"). He can't do this clearly for vague reasons, implied in the third season to be because the big momma evil spirit might overhear them and intervene because she's lurking around the spirit realms like a big nasty shark. Among other things he helps the MC's soul escape what is basically the afterlife's waiting room, gives another character a lot of vital information in S3, runs the place where two formerly human characters eventually settle in as giant luminous heads and is the mastermind behind a convoluted plan to defeat the evil spirits that involves time travel, alternate realities and the girl murdered by their machinations. One of the more optimistic interpretations of the ending of S3 I've heard is that they cornered the evil big momma in a trap reality, she's frustrated but out of options, she then nearly bluffed the MC by having one of her minions confuse him, but the murdered girl (who is actually some kind of higher dimensional bomb implicitly created in the big momma spirit's image as a "moral antimatter" to it. Kind of like the Alpha Effect to the Omega Effect, but somehow less of a jobber despite spending most of the series being murdered) screams. And this somehow destroys the big momma evil spirit.

>>2192 >creates demons Do mosquitos, parasitic wasps, malaria and various other so-called 'lifeforms' count.

>>2200 >One of the more optimistic interpretations of the ending of S3 I've heard is... hwah? ...I don't generally like horror or drama, but at this point I think I might have to watch Twin Peaks just to understand What The Fuck. >>2201 I did say demons. Don't tell me wasps and mosquitos aren't demonic forces straight from the bowels of hell.

>>2202 >...I don't generally like horror or drama, but at this point I think I might have to watch Twin Peaks just to understand What The Fuck. Despite the presence of several dead bodies, it comes across a lot like a nightmare. Like an actual nightmare. As in things happen and there's some kind of underlying logic and recurring patterns to it, but nothing ever gets fully spelt out in a cut and dried way. Even though the creator says that it should be obvious what happened-and honestly, I can kind of see his point. It's just that it is really more of vibe than a conclusive statement of what's actually going on. Word of warning from personal experience: If you start from the original series you're going to be very, very confused by the presence of old-timey American humour and cliches and you won't really come across any of the horror elements until the second season. And besides, you'll spend long spans of time between one happening and watching small town folks goof around. The last episode is a banger though, and what I suspect the show was mostly remembered for. Fire Walk With Me (the movie) is...probably much closer to what most people think about Twin Peaks (insofar as anyone still thinks about Twin Peaks), and S3 is the one that leans way harder into the bleakness of the setting. It's strangely optimistic towards the end in spite of everything. I suppose the message I ended up taking away from Twin Peaks is that shit happens, but there's light at the end of the tunnel if you look far enough ahead.

>>2203 >(insofar as anyone still thinks about Twin Peaks), Many people still do. Even if they never overtly cite it or anything, Twin Peaks has completely ingrained itself into the wider subconscious of the population. So many things nowadays pretty much wouldn't exist without it.

>>2202 I'm just saying, intelligent design is a wide brush to tar with.

>>2200 >spoiler Father is 100% Lucifer's offspring or something similar. It's one of the first things people started speculating once Lucifer was stated to be the only one who oculd aid him as well as bejng the only demon lord who fully retained his divine powers.

This has been so much comfier than the normal thread. I don't know if I even want to go back. Night, y'all.

Gilgamesh stays in Jumper's house and I'm not really sure why he's following me at this point. I've got homunculi attending to his daily needs such as manicures, pedicures, fanning (he prefers banana leaf and I generally need to import those), hand feeding him, but he still ends up calling me at random points throughout the day to give me personally tasks. Had me explain the concept of the internet. Often has me go find him random bullshit that's generally hard to track down. I don't know why he sends me out to find shit given he likely has a thousand of the same thing but better in the Gate. Sometimes calls me in to talk about women and how he's amazing with them, and also asks me what I would do in hypotheticals, stares, and then tells me he would do a different thing that would be way better than that. I got halfway through asking him if this had anything to do with Arturia before he locked in eye contact and then I stopped because I'm pretty sure I would have died. Gilgamesh please go find your own house.

>>2214 Do you think it might have something to do with occasionally visiting Kirei's grave and rambling about whether or not Tokiomi drove him to evil?

>>2214 At some point Sakura's going to ask if Gilgamesh is a freeloader. Gil is going to try and murder her then and there. She will nom his Noble Phantasms with shadows. A rivalry will be born that day, and the next day Gilgamesh will have a job.

>>2214 >about women and how he's amazing with them I'm sure it has noting to do with how he's the king and made a law saying he can rape women on their weeding nights.

>>2217 (me) Damn it's still too early for proper spelling. Shame caffeine does jack shit to me.

>>2215 No one was supposed to know about me visiting Kirei's grave. Those were generally conducted during me-time. Somehow not surprised he would have found out. Do you think Gilgamesh took that personally like he knew I was also complaining about him indirectly since I blame Tokiomi for somehow causing me to end up with him? He wouldn't, right? He's just trying to find common ground as someone who also hates Tokiomi. I don't even hate Tokiomi that much, he's just stupid and landed me in a situation. >>2216 He's going to get really pissy, leave, come back the next day telling me he bought a suburb, and tells me that we're moving over there and to keep the drooling mongrel several houses down so that he never has to look at her again. I'm gonna ask him how he bought all these houses and he'll start with "How dare you question me," and then he'll explain that everything is already his, but also he starts giving me stacks of cash whenever he requests me to go find things of him. He never actually tells me how he's earning money. >>2217 I need the character development to hurry and kick in.

>>2214 Transform him into Gil-Lily, the actual one and not Gilgamesh cosplaying as his younger self like he does in Prisma, he'd be a decent person then. He'd probably still freeload off of you though.

>>2219 >He never actually tells me how he's earning money. Considering he has Golden rule he probably keeps finding winning lottery tickets on the ground and winning big at casinos

>>2219 >No one was supposed to know about me visiting Kirei's grave. Ah but consider: Not only does Gil have a Noble Phantasm called Sha Naqba Imuru that theoretically gives him the equivalent of EX Rank Clairvoyance and in practice is completely ignored, but he SPECIFICALLY has a consistent exemption for ignoring it when it comes to trivial things like outsmarting Liz or beating children's card games. Scrying on some Jumper complaining about a idiot magus at said magus' own grave is exactly in the strike zone of "Gilgamesh is willing to use SNI for this random pointless sidequest"

>>2219 Sakura will not understand why she now has an entire house to herself, and may in fact think Gilgamesh was nice to her. She will proceed to stare at him out of shadows at random times. Gil will notice every single time. No matter how many times he attempts to kill her, nothing will ever stick. She will, at no point, realize he's even attempting to kill her.

You know, I forgot that Steven in his games just sorta flies his ass into the middle of nowhere and drops down on the player for a quick chat. I’m jealous of that. Totally a thing you can do in anything approaching a realistic world, but I want that in gameplay.

Since I couldn't ask before the autists nuked 4chen but what the fuck does the OG marvel jump mean by "Peak Wolverine" when it comes to the Regen + Speed combo? Like does it count the temporary amp that the gem of Cyttorak gave in the comics where he regenerated from a drop of blood like the X men movies jump did?

>>2224 Yeah... Steven. From the Steven Universe tie-in games.

>>2220 He's not even my Servant! He's Tokiomi's Servant! He just hates Tokiomi and his backup plan of Kirei fucking died! I'm like, plan C! I'm amazed he didn't just eviscerate Tokiomi after the war. Transforming him is thusly pretty difficult. >>2221 >Casino thinks he's cheating >Confront him >Gilgamesh will not tolerate the mongrel >Immediately forces them to take him to the owner. >Tells the owner that he will not be questioned, nor banned, and that the casino won't exist anymore if anyone tries this again. >Goes back to the slots. >>2222 >but he SPECIFICALLY has a consistent exemption for ignoring it when it comes to trivial things like outsmarting Liz or beating children's card games. He knows exactly how hard it is to find this random bullshit for him before he ever sends me out to go looking, doesn't he... He's just doing this to fuck with me. This is why he always asks for the whole process of how and where I got the miscellaneous bullshit. >>2223 >Like two years later >I go to Gilgamesh's mansion one day, the one that replaced several houses of the suburb. >Sakura is there and the homunculi are also tending to her like royalty. >She has several toys and a jar of exotic cookies. >He gives me a look daring me to say something. >This feels like dad saying not to get a dog, then dad with the dog

>>2214 Put on a green wig and re-ignite his passion for being a bottom, his bratty-ness is just him trying to get people to dom him that unfortunately got caught up with his god-complex his servant form gave him.

>>2225 I would interpret it as the strongest he's been without significant contribution from external factors. You wouldn't generally for example count a gun or car as someone's peak, because it lets them hit harder or go faster than they'd be able to even in the best conditions.

>>2227 On a slightly more serious note, Gil might, just might, be vaguely reminded of Enkidu. Where Enkidu was made of divine clay Sakura would be more shadows and mud, but her unkillability and casual no-selling of his tantrums would be extremely similar. And her unironic brain damage would be extremely reminiscient of Enkidu's inhuman nature and need to be taught the ways of mankind to live and act among them. Add in her Hollow element allowing her to create shadow ribbons that are ridiculously good at restraining and defeating Servants-which would remind Gil of Enkidu's chains, just recolored and softer-and Gil might genuinely start treating Savant Sakura as being like Enkidu reborn. This is not necessarily a good thing-it still took Gil a LONG fucking time to chill out even with Enkidu acting as a mediating force-but he would still care for her in his own way. And probably teach her how to wrestle and punch things really, really hard.