>>125810
The problem is that the differences between progressive and traditionalist ideologies are irreconcilable, and all discussion thereabout is meaningless.
Progressives believe two key things:
1. nothing exists but the material world
2. nothing in the material world is absolute
Traditionalists believe two key things:
1. the material world is supplemented by the spiritual (what constitutes spirituality is irrelevant; that spirituality exists is the point)
2. objective truth exists
You cannot use logic, reason, or data to change a progressive, because they do not believe these things exist. Similarly, you cannot use emotion or personal desire to change a traditionalist, because he knows that no amount of good intentions can alter the physical reality of the world. There is no discussion to be had. Words are meaningless.