>>5187 😆 I'm not him but I'd like to meet other Daoist practitioners heh

>>5189 >Taoism works with the forces of destruction and creation, and that is labeled "tai chi". Mess this up and you could "whoops, accidentally" your whole existence of the soul if you're a beginner with no stability. It's extremely dangerous. >Qi gong is about moving Qi, the breath of the body and the universe, it's not polar and has no real connection to the forces worked with in tai chi. A "master" who mixes up the concept at this fundamental level clearly has no idea what the fuck he's doing, and it's to no surprise that people got in trouble for "practicing" his stuff. Well they're both used in daoism. From the wuji came the taiji which i assume is the tai chi you refer to. A sort of unity before differentiated yin and yang. Daoist magic can use any of the stuff and qigong will strengthen the body to withstand the forces. Different sects use different methods.

>>8713 These people don't even know the difference between the terms "chi" and "Qi" which are in Chinese not the same word at all, they just sound similar. Tai Chi has nothing to do with Qi. I've practiced both with great success, they are only very superficially similar in appearance to someone who just looks at the movements without understanding them. You've spammed a manifestation of your ignorance in this thread so I'm not interested in discussing this, just wanted to point this out. You can read about it on wikipedia, it's that basic.

>>5191 Drinking mercury is a way to expand the thought processes in the brain, but it's dangerous af. Think about the correspondences of the planet mercury in western thought, it is also mental, communicative, etc Presumably that's why they called the liquid mercury, because it potentially has that effect. But uh , if you drink mercury you better have a good good way to detox it afterward or youre health is fucked or you dead. >>5193 >You need to learn to empathize with the meaning behind what people are saying instead of just dismissing them out of hand because they don't share your vocabulary. > The fun part is nobody needs to do anything unless they want something that is aided by doing that thing >>5195 Qigong is divided into martial medical spiritual >>5195 >should probably point out I have experience from practicing qi gong, karate, judo, ju jutsu and tai jutsu (formerly ninjutsu) all from taking classes for at least one school length term Cool. I've been doing qigong for years and have taken about 5 years of classes. >>5199 >While what I felt emanating from Li Hongzhi made my inner animalistic energies murderous. Still not sure what I felt there > Uh oh. Yeah my intuition says not to get involved with them. The little I've Heard of its theory sounded ok but uh, people get good at looking good externally and being shite internally. >>5203 >That's what it looks like to me. It may seem fine for many, then randomly out of nowhere it kills someone. Not enough to be verifiable, it just happens now and then. That kind of thing. I wanna joke that well sounds mostly safe then

>>8715 Ignorance is seeing something and refusing it, nescience is not knowing. I identify as more nescient than ignorant here, mr wizard.

>>8715 Also, my elitist friend, Wikipedia says tai chi is about moving chi, what are you talking about?

>>8719 So clearly the knowledge you spout is esoteric since I haven't heard it in years of qigong or a couple semesters of tai chi class. And not apparent on wikipedia. I assumed you were the ignorant one.

Well I'm glad other people aren't as elitist as you since nobody would ever learn anything :^)

>>8719 >moving chi Taiji, "the most supreme high" is an immaterial principle, and it has nothing to do with Qi. It is sometimes spelled as Tai Chi, which has made some people believe Chi refers to Qi, which is a different word. This confusion is only possibly for those who have only seen the exercises visually, or gone through them as a form of regular physical exercise. What is achieved by practicing Tai Chi is completely different from Qi Gong cultivation. Tai Chi is closer to witchcraft in western terms, but it's really not comparable to anything, which is why it's called the "most extreme high" in the first place.

People and their fragile egos. >>5201 >Why? To me this is so obvious and clearly wrong. Why is it obvious? Besides taiji as a concept almost nobody hears if tai chi as working with anything other than qi. Also considering your talk about how everything is so obvious and look at the chinese characters you sure like saying tai chi instead of taiji. You know, the thing actual chinese say? The thing that's on wikipedia? taiji (Chinese: 太極; pinyin: tàijí; Wade–Giles: tʻai chi; Pinyin. Chinese people don't use wade giles generally. I think you're a fraud or an egotist. You might have knowledge about spiritual forces but you could stand to learn how to be a better person. Yes I am butthurt about "well you crossed this imaginary line so I'm taking my toys/knowledge and going home". Good troll.

And now I am the retard because you responded and I have too much free time to be butthurt. Oh well, that's life sometimes.

>>8724 You're rude and your writing style looks worse than a redditor. Plus that you expose your lack of experience and skill in everything you say.

And now I am the retard because I have too much free time rn and posted too quickly before reading , og well life be that way

>>8726 Yeah? You also seem rude and I'm responding to that. I don't even know what you mean by writing style but that's a construct, it's not like there is generally accepted rules that are written somewhere. Even if there were that's just an opinion too. Yeah so what if I expose my lack of experience ? I wouldn't be here if I knew everything bro.

>>8728 Then don't start off by calling people retarded in the style you did.

>>8728 To be fair I probably cane off as rude first because i read your first post and replied without further context. I apologize for starting on the wrong foot.

I doesn't matter, I don't care, I just wanted to find out what kind of force was behind this, felt like some daoist on the astral manipulating things or something. I had forgotten about the rivalry, I'm not interested in it, and find it boring. Someone was clearly reading me just 10 min or so ago after I first responded, checking my practice to see what I had done, then trying to challenge it. I don't know why someone would do that after seeing that it's legit. Maybe they were provoked by the simplicity. I don't get why occultists or whatever can't just improve together, but instead start things like this for no reason.

>>8729 Ya

>>8731 >I don't get why occultists or whatever can't just improve together, but instead start things like this for no reason Isn't that the nature of ego/duality?

>>8733 It sorta makes sense if it's about regular occultists who want money and power, but a daoist seeks some kind of higher state of existence, so why would they fight each other? I'm well aware this is a common theme in martial arts movies, where the taoists are rebels attacking the emperor (which is fitting in modern China, and make them into "good guys" in communist narratives), but what support does this behaviour have in Dao De Jing?

>>8734 I dunno. I've heard from a daoist that daoists do good and bad things to balance karma. And I know of one who has a sort of hex on his books that people can't learn well because it's always drawing the knowledge back to him.

>>8704 >i simply always intend for the stuff to come through in the grace of god and in divine will, in alignment with divine self, with ease and grace in the right timing that is within my path and divine pattern >everything from the center of divine will and the will of the divine self and for the greatest good of self and all, is a wonderful protection method. This is beautiful. I am still learning how to seamlessly switch retaining my foundation, I almost called you mean for calling dad on me for playing around. I don't hate father he is just too much for me right now. >commanding is a good thing to learn but a mix of asking/cooperation and command is the best I've found. This isn't it for me I only approach aggressively when I am not satisfied, wounded and untrustful. Usually its submission then it depends on the intention of the entity maybe I'll trust them for a very long time till they reach "pay with your blood" status and so be it they choose to be that I of course check the origin intention if its gets to that. If they're simply innocent and immature then I may switch to a teaching status if they interest me that way I can play both roles. I am still not good at testing them right without invasive procedures therefore I let them show me themselves and I get more aggressive to see their reaction ; it isn't balanced however my heart is too developed. I need more sulfur see? I wonder about friendships to me the distinctions are rules I respect rather than true limitations; I can be mean with this.

>>8735 I went for a walk, which is what I was already meaning to, but used it to properly locate and deal with the source of this force. It turned out being "an annoying daoist prick" on the astral. He stopped after I overpowered him, but I also see now why this would happen, I wasn't aware of this aspect: I'm aware Dao De Jing is written in a way where "everything" is explained already in the first line, then it's repeated again in the 2nd line, again in the 3rd, and so on, to then be broken down in the following chapters more and more. And it's very similar to reading Genesis from the beginning, where the entire message can be read from the very first sentence in hebrew, as well as in just the name of God, YHVH in hebrew. It's structurally the same, but nowhere does it have any actual "substance", because that's the part where you have to understand it yourself, and that part is a void in the text - it can't be said. With Daoism it's easier to see this "void", but harder to grasp it, because the purpose and aim is a form of void in itself, which isn't it in Judaism and derived practices. The mental processes needed to form the concept of "void" may be negative, destructive. If you then can't reduce them to nothing, you have to create an outlet for it, and it may be that you can't do this yourself, so you have to fight someone in the process. The end result after losing the fight is then this "void".

> >>8738 A daoist priest told me the daodejing is a cultivation manual as well

>>8736 >I almost called you mean for calling dad on me for playing around. >I don't hate father he is just too much for me right now. Ha. Yeah I understand that. It can be a lot for sure. I try not to be too intense with that. At some point I was deprived of/deprived myself of enough things that I felt like my refuge was divinity, and it also felt like when I wanted some things it made life painful, so I got in the habit of offering my desires to God and asking that they either be manifested in the best way or dissolved. So then now I'm in the habit of using my divine self/alignment as a protection method/manifesting from the center so I don't get as much deviation or harmful things from what I try to do. It also helps for when I fuck up an energy connection and ask lightbeings to fix something lol. But I try not to judge anyone for playing around if it's not harmful to me. I am a silly guy myself. >I am still learning how to seamlessly switch retaining my foundation, I don't know what you mean by this. >commanding is a good thing to learn to elaborate on this I tend to use Authority as a tone setting thing or for clearing myself. >I only approach aggressively when I am not satisfied, wounded and untrustful. Ah, I see. I usually get readings and or complain at god and spirit guides when this happens lol. I tend not to work with beings beyond that, when I'm in that state, unless it's a specific energy I'm trying to use to release/transmute grief or whatever. Like, violet flame for transmutation, angels/peace spirit for re-integration afterward, that sort of thing. Or earth and heaven, earth and sun, for peace and or transmutation. >I am still not good at testing them right without invasive procedures Yeah I never took the time to develop psychic communication much >_> So I rely on my own emotions and energybody and my recognition of my normal state to see if something's fucking with me and then if so I connect to higher powers to flush them out. An acquaintance mentioned that higher beings can guide stray energies back to their proper place, so if I'm in the right presence of mind I first ask that before I turn up the light and nuke everything else in me.

>>5182 >Taoism when practiced is called tai chi. Qi gong is buddhist. You can't call it taoism and use the method which is a manifestation of buddhism, then you practice buddhism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_qigong "Qigong, the Chinese practice of aligning breath, movement, and awareness for exercise, healing, and martial arts training, has a history that extends back more than 4,000 years." "a nearly 7000-year-old Neolithic vessel depicts a priest-shaman (巫覡; wuxi) in the essential posture of meditative practice and gymnastic exercise of early qigong" "According to the traditional Chinese medical community, the origin of qigong is commonly attributed to the legendary Yellow Emperor (2696–2598 BCE" Per Google: "Buddhism originated in the Indian sub-continent around the fifth century BCE." This is the reason I thought what you said sounded retarded. I'm still not entirely sure one way or the other. >Taoism works with the forces of destruction and creation, and that is labeled "tai chi". Mess this up and you could "whoops, accidentally" your whole existence of the soul if you're a beginner with no stability. It's extremely dangerous. I've never heard this before but I'm not a Daoist Priest so it's outside my wheelhouse. I will consult one and ask though. Yes, the popup sounds scammy. The certification by national Qigong association is something that normies want to look for to feel safe so I wouldn't begrudge that. >>5195 >should probably point out I have experience from practicing qi gong, karate, judo, ju jutsu and tai jutsu (formerly ninjutsu) all from taking classes for at least one school length term. I've done tai chi on my own using instruction videos to see what the result would be. apparently time spent practicing means little to nothing since I've learned Qigong for 5 years. or it does in which case one school term isn't a lot. instruction videos are hit or miss. usually they miss something more points that made me question if you're larping or had some surface instruction and took it in some direction of your own. >>5199 >>Since he has "healing" as a selling point, he could just call it "medical qi gong" >I think that would make it into a "science" and then "qi gong scientists" will have to accept his ways as "real" otherwise he is no "qi gong scientist". But yeah I am not big on chinese academic politics. You might be right about this. They used to have Qigong hospitals in China, they got shut down. >>5201 >Why? To me this is so obvious and clearly wrong. Why would "all readers" here have misunderstood it? Because that's how it's taught like everywhere in the west? Were you taught in a cave or something? I don't get how you think this is obvious in any way except for scholars, and even I as a Qigong student and occasional Tai chi student didn't know. Which makes me wonder if it's true. Especially after the talk of differentiating the 'chi' in tai chi vs the qi energy. they're both spelled chi with different Chinese characters, but I would expect you to say taiji then because that's the pinyin. Which is another point that made me question whether what you were saying is true or not. also a search "does taiji work with taiji energy or qi" on Google says they're very similar. >>5203 >the mixing in of the Taoist "destruction" force, which is a silent killer, it has no energy. He's got that thing mixed in, and it may appear like you're drinking soup and suddenly there's a bubble of acid coming up from nowhere and you burn you throat and gets ruined for life. That's what it looks like to me. It may seem fine for many, then randomly out of nowhere it kills someone. Not enough to be verifiable, it just happens now and then. That kind of thing. hard to verify this one way or the other. based on inaccuracies, oddness, (thinking taiji as a concept is well-known vs Tai chi as a martial art) and big claims, it would be hard not to dismiss you as just wrong or deluded. but I'm still interested to hear more to see whether you just learned secrets. I'll ask a daoist or two whether there's anything true in what you said, but I won't see em for a few weeks.

>>8757 >I try not to be too intense with that. It was the right reaction don't worry about it. I thought you were banishing me but i saw it was a monologue like a teacher talking to some children so i liked it. >At some point I was deprived of/deprived myself of enough things that I felt like my refuge was divinity I follow my mother. She is..strict but you know what to expect. In the end it depends on what you want. >I don't know what you mean by this. Different energetic circuits or body templates. I can be an angel and we can talk at that frequency but most of my individuality is gone there. I had to go deep to the underworld to find something to latch into. But i realized i don't have any "real" structure and have to learn to know myself without reaching mom for that. It's like having a very long tail; you roam from cave to cave, the jungle might be familiar but who knows maybe you'll end up in a tundra next; it's very lonely and harsh a tiger might meet it's mate once a year; if that. >to elaborate on this I tend to use Authority as a tone setting thing or for clearing myself. I rarely get serious, only if threatened tbh If i use authority it means i am ready to actually hit you. >I usually get readings and or complain at god and spirit guides when this happens lol They only give comforts when i am down; usually they yell at me to get me back into track, so mean :'( >violet flame for transmutation I use black flame and rot usually now i am using..hadean fire? I believe you would call it Geburah. >Or earth and heaven, earth and sun This makes me think of the iron cross but i would have to look deeper. >I never took the time to develop psychic communication much >_> It's the same as with humans but easier for me. With humans you're not sure what to expect they're walking contradictions and what might seem love or care at first end up being a very short minded lower being using human intellectualism as a buffer.. What i mean is when someone is very bad with me i might suspect they're just doing some very advanced thing..only to realize no they're just that narrow. >So I rely on my own emotions and energybody and my recognition of my normal state to see if something's fucking with me I rely on how i feel. Maybe i am freaking out for a reason but maybe i should let it fester for the maximum gain if i trust myself that i can handle it. It depends really, i like being beat sometimes but i am learning to protect myself better now. I was being carried by the heart; too much love not enough pragmatism. >I turn up the light and nuke everything else in me. I did that too but now i am learning precision, i get dirtied very easily so in my case gentle and precise seems to be the answer. >An acquaintance mentioned that higher beings can guide stray energies back to their proper place You ever watch demon prince enma? they do that, send "demons" back to hell.

>>8769 Maybe it's that I started learning before Internet became mainstream, so there were no online resources to get confused by, it was all personal instruction. I don't know what context my older posts were made in, and I'm not going to start reading back up in the thread, but when it comes to the "years in practice", it's more relevant with martial arts to have more time, because it's a physical exercise, and I wanted to point out that I do have some practical experience from being an active club member at various dojos, compared to just being an "Internet warrior". With the esoteric aspect, it's not the same thing, which is also explained early on in Zhuan Falun, the main book of Falun Gong, where a distinction is made between real practice, and just doing exercises. The terms used here are in the full name of the practice, as Xiulian Falun Dafa, where Xiu means "inner cultivation" and Lian is the "physical exercise". This is the main difference between FG and other mainstream Qi Gong, that the mainstream practices only do "physical exercise", Lian, not "inner cultivation", Xiu. So it's explicitly stated that Falun Gong, is doing both, and is an esoteric practice. Doing only physical exercise will not lead beyond the level of physical exercise, which can also be good in itself, but isn't actual cultivation. I'm not doing this here to argue or win some point, I genuinely want to help people get results like I did, by seeing and applying this. Tai Chi suffers from the same issue when done in a mainstream way. I have a family member who's trained as member of a Tai Chi Chuan club for something like 13 years, and they haven't touched on any esoteric aspect at all. They just do fencing; sparring and forms. It's just physical exercise with nothing more to it, because they don't move beyond that. This is Fringe, so it's not just about physical exercise, but about reaching practice in the esoteric aspect of any path you choose.

>>8777 Now although there are karmic reasons for it, even saying this will upset a lot of people who made a living selling courses for practices that only do physical exercise, and we've already seen what that meant for Falun Gong in China, so I don't expect positive reception here either. It won't stop me from saying it, because with that reasoning it wouldn't have reached me either.

what are the dangers of making occult (more like amateur psychology) art and putting it online for people to charge with their attention? i use real symbols and methods but half the time i dont even know what i want to do with it.

>>8770 >Different energetic circuits or body templates. >I can be an angel and we can talk at that frequency but most of my individuality is gone there. ah yeah I get it. >I follow my mother. She is..strict but you know what to expect. In the end it depends on what you want. I've been connecting more to the earth/underworld recently than prior. the strict reminds me of a call to action I got recently from taking too long to get where I need to be. it got me good, part of me still wants to alt+f4 myself in rebellion to not having what I want dearly/having to pick myself up and spend time alone before I can get it. I assume it's more of a mother thing since I'm dealing with being more organized on earth and in the world. >I rarely get serious, only if threatened tbh I do it for healings and clearings and yeah also threats. Though what I call on depends on what I'm doing, but I'd still consider it serious but different flavors whether I'm asking for something dear to me, or protecting self/aligning a healing/clearing to work as well as it can, or doing on the spot self defense. It's all self defense really, or defense of what I hold dear, when I'm aligning to something higher. But it's pre-emptive when I'm setting the tone for a healing or prayer. Sometimes an afterthought because I ask for something carelessly. Like when I worked with a star of fortune recently I felt it move pretty strongly making a path for me and I was like oh shit yeah let's backtrack and align that to divinity and manifest that with ease and grace on my path, I don't wanna get btfo lol. >They only give comforts when i am down; usually they yell at me to get me back into track, so mean :'( Yeah I'm only really upset at them when I'm in a lot of pain. and I know it's at least in part if not mostly self induced and that it's teaching me to be better but I don't like it. I like to joke that I'm in an abusive relationship with god at this time because of this. in this case god being the all-that-is, since as far as I know it's both the painful lesson and the saving grace and if that happened in a human relationship it feels abusive. >What i mean is when someone is very bad with me i might suspect they're just doing some very advanced thing..only to realize no they're just that narrow. At this point I'm taking people at their word unless it feels weird and relying on my own self alignment and intuitive double checking so it doesn't lead somewhere bad. (and I step aside if I'm not sure, to clear my energy and then check, if someone's energy is clearly influencing my intuition) I've definitely been in the state where I can feel what someone really is projecting but it's not a frequent place I'm at. >This makes me think of the iron cross but i would have to look deeper. dunno what the iron cross is. But what I mean is I call get to center/heart, then ask for a pillar of light from heaven/sun and a pillar of light from earth, to set the tone/help me remove stuff and bring it where it ought to be, so it doesn't come back or go into someone else as easily. Sometimes it still does, I had a shaman tell me I purged something into him and the next ceremony I asked the beans (beings) to help keep anything I purge from going into anyone else so that it go into earth and heaven/wherever it needs to go. >You ever watch demon prince enma? no, but it's in my bookmarks now. dunno when/if i'll get to it. >I was being carried by the heart; too much love not enough pragmatism. Yeah, I've been there. Might still be there. (: A teacher of mine said love is the most powerful force in the universe. It makes sense to me. There's stronger things outside of this universe but love is the engine in this place, the center. Be well, earth-friend. 🙏🤍

>>8794 >Do you believe Agartha exists? Hello. This is not /x/. Please read the rules before posting. To answer your question, I was taken there by underground-dwelling creatures on a tour with a group of VIPs from all over the Earth during a dream. It's supposed to not be accessible astrally without guidance, as there's some kind of "break" between the normal underground and Agartha. You just can't keep going down and get there. But I could be making all this up. I don't know if it exists.

>>8576 Yesterday while fooling around after my meditation practice, I decided to evoke an upright equilateral triangle, and I shit you not a spirit appeared. Some kind of "upright equilateral triangle" elemental started to manifest. I wasn't prepared for this, nor want to have beings come into that room, so I quickly dismissed it, but it surprised me a lot. I think a grimoire of geometrical spirits could be compiled. Or at least a mapping of the kinds of beings affine to different geometrical energies. Reminds me of how Gordon Winterfield's demons book is laid out.

>>8800 >I think a grimoire of geometrical spirits could be compiled. Or at least a mapping of the kinds of beings affine to different geometrical energies I forgot to mention a "geometrical spirit". When I was looking into the Mesoamerican culture and egregore; snakes appeared in my vision. They did these weird 90 degree turns constantly. I realized after a while that it is a "Language". I realized they are trying to say something. I said "I don't understand". Then they replied. "We know you know this one". Then I looked through my memory and remembered that during a meditation I had a bright vision with rainbow colored squares. As I remembered that the "connection formed". Their movement was a "dimensional structure". They cross dimensions with those movements. They told me more things after it but it dealt with how mesoamericans utilized magic and why they accepted colonization that easily. You can start a geometry thread if you have enough material btw. It's quite the cultural phenomenon through the ages.

>>8802 I don't want to start a thread unless I get some first hand gnosis. Also as a way to force myself to practice, but because the material out there is polluted by centuries of mundanes pretending to know what they're talking about. Not to mention the rise of "sacred geometry" boomer nonsense, which absolutely muddied the waters to such a ridiculous extent there's probably nothing good written about it you can get anywhere. Maybe Greer's geomancy book? Anyway.

>>8802 >>8805 Start one about meso-american occultist traditions instead? It's relevant.